What Makes Errol Spence Special?

I never thought Spence was special at any point of his career what part of that do you not understand ?

You are being daft because you made the comparison not me lol.

You're saying Whitaker would not be considered special because he lost to Tito past his prime, and you're trying to use mental gymnastics to compare that situation to Spence losing to Crawford

Without the key ingredient that Whitaker already had an ATG career and was levels above Spence in regards to the eye test.

You're known as a meme Canelo fan boy on this forum so i don't expect you to agree lol.

 

I have gave Spence props i said he was very good which is plenty of credit.

That doesn't mean i have to agree with someone's agenda that he's special because he's trying it force upon me.

 

And my point is that him losing to Crawford how he did didn't prove he wasn't special before the car wreck.

You're trying to turn this into something it isn't. I'm not comparing Whitaker's ATG career to Spence's. I'm saying what you're doing in claiming that because Spence lost to Crawford that proved he wasn't ever special. My point is, Spence wasn't the same fighter by then. He was reduced. You don't judge a fighter on his last fight when he was clearly past it. Was Ali not special because he got dominated by Holmes or lost to Berbick? No, he was well past it by then. That's the point, simply that. Not a comparison of resumes before that.

You dont need an ATG resume or career to be "special". You judge the fighter's skill set and performances when they were at their best, not how they did in fights in which they were clearly past their best.

Well you're a Canelo hater apparently if you can't admit he's "special".

By the way, do you consider Prince Naseem "special"?

 

I'm glad we can agree to disagree.

I'm not saying Spence was a bad fighter or some overrated scrub he was a very good Welterweight champion i'd put him on a similar level to Ike Quartey. Who i believe made a similar amount of Welterweight title defences as Spence, and i don't think that's necessarily bad praise to put him on the same level as someone like Quartey who i respect quite highly.

 

LOL you're the one trying to force on everyone that he isn't special. I'm saying here's why he's special and you got your panties all in a bunch about it. In the end I respect your opinion bro, I even admitted he wasn't in the same class as the guys you mentioned. All I'm saying is that pre car wreck Spence was pretty damn special. But if you disagree, to each his own, but no need to throw a hissy fit over it.

 

So can we agree to disagree too, or no? Or do you wanna keep fighting about it?

Fair enough.

 

My opinion would be the majority here though that he isn't special so i don't need to force my opinion when it's the majority opinion.

Unless your definition of special is different to mine which in that case we can agree to disagree but my previous post shows what type of fighters i consider special so i'm talking that type of level.

But regardless if you want to believe Spence is special you're entitled to your opinion but i can't say that i agree.

I don't think me classing Spence as very good is me being unfair to him though.

I don't know what else i can say i think i was quite fair with this response and we can leave it at that.

 

Yeah we can agree to disagree i'm happy to leave it at that.

 

I thought Shawn Porter manhandled him.

 

When has he been compared to the pac man and why? I don’t understand the comparison at all, I know you are disagreeing with that but I don’t see anything similar at all.

 

He was a weight bully who made poor lifestyle choices after having early success. These poor lifestyles choices and inactivity made it harder to make weight leaving him more depleted.

 

jab and size

 

He never was special. He was pretty solid in every area but nothing more. Definitely one of the most over hyped fighters in recently memory. He was a 7/10 fighter to me. His best wins were all nothing special either.

 

He had a very distinguished amateur career, so he had a lot of presumptive quality- if that is the right word. Derrick James got a lot of credit for transforming his style from an amateur style to a pro style- I don't know if that is true because I never saw him as an amateur but I saw a bit of him a decade ago. In my opinion, James taught him to go to the body more than you might see in the amateur game, but that is something you will naturally pick up in Texas gyms. Body punching is a big thing there.
I think, my opinion, that some of the things that his trainer taught him are fundamentally flawed. The fighter that I was with a decade ago was managed by a guy that was close to James- in fact, he told the manager about the fighter I was with. At one point I saw an email that he sent to the manager about the fighter that I was with and I thought that is didn't understand some things and I saw how he trained those misperceptions into Spence. Again, this is just my opinion.

 

Dominant vs who? GGG left overs Brook? lightweights moving up like the Garcia's? Old Journeymen like Ugas?