What's your Top 10 At Heavyweight now?

How can Joyce be above Chisora?

 

Kabayel is easily Top 5 for me but justifying opponents as 'Undefeated' shouldn't be brought into the equation when their best wins between them are a 43 year old Carlos Takam and Junior Fa. Makhmudov got manhandled to TKO by Guido Vianelo a few months ago, and he is not top 10 ranked by any sanctioning bodies. They were at best unproven hyped prospects, not contenders. The nature of his wins - 3 KO's - is what is impressive, despite the quality of some of those opponents. Stopping Zhang is legit.

 

I didn't think Parker win over Chisora was controversial. Although I did think Chisora got a gift decision over Pulev in the rematch.

None the less, Chisora makes my top 10.

 

Fury did much better v Usyk than Dubois.

I think it's that simple.

 

I don't think on current form you can rate Fury highly.

Apart from being retired, got a gift decision against an MMA fighter and was fortunate not to lose on cuts to Wallin. Fury hasn't beaten a decent opponent since 22 in Whyte and Chisora and prior to that last time Fury beat a quality opponent was back in 2015 against Wlad.

 

Id put:

1 Usyk
2 Fury
3 Dubois
4 Parker
5 Joshua
6 Kabayel
7 Hrgovic
8 Zhang
9 Bakole
10 Ajagba

Respect to Chisora but I cant see him as a contender, he is B level and a gatekeeper, but a very good one.

Jalolov, Wardley, should be in the list but need better wins.

 

Chisora wasn't rated in the ring top 10 when Fury last fought him. He was 1-3 in his previous 4 fights
Whyte was a good win over a top 10 rated opponent which was nearly 3 years ago, so you do agree with me about historical ratings to a degree and are contradicting yourself

2 losses warrants a high rating for you?
Joshua was competitive in the Usyk rematch against a younger version, but it was still a loss which tends to drop fighters down the ratings somewhat

He was #10 with the ring I believe from his wins over Breazeale and Gassiev

That's like saying Joyce couldn't be because he lost to Chisora, but we both know he was.
You are rating Fury for losing a competitive fight to Usyk and not using the same logic with Wallin losing competitively to Fury for example

Not necessarily
Look at how Anderson was recently top 10 rated when his biggest win was a points win over Martin who Joshua had beaten in 2 rounds years previously
Now you don't have to go back to 2018
Pulev was top 10 rated
Wallin was top 10 rated

Realistically for Ring top 10 rated fighters Joshua beat one more recently than Fury

I agree

This is what I am saying
You rate Fury for a competitive loss as if using that as leverage, ignore Joshua also lost a competitive decision, ignore that Joshua stopped Ngannou in 2 rounds who Fury had a tough fight with if you use that logic

He did
If you take on more top rated competitors there is more chance of losing
This falls into what I was saying about some fighters not taking as many risks and being top 10 rated by being involved in lesser fights.
Ajagba is in the ring top 10 but hasn't fought at that level yet as an example

Of course what you are saying to me makes some sense.
I am not emotionally invested and am impartial, which is why I can see both sides and say it is subjective.
It is you who I think is being a bit more partial in what you are saying.

This is why historical wins are important if not too long ago.
It was less than a year and a half ago when Joshua beat a ring top 10 rated opponent
Nearly 3 years since Fury last did

As noted Joshua has won more HW title fights than any other fighter in the ring top 10
This is why I wrote that there is some standing for historical ratings with active fighters to a degree

 

Wallin was Top 10 with The Ring, Bad Left Hook and Top Heavyweight Boxing and even Top 5 with TBRB.

 

I can agree in principal with what you are saying but Undefeated does seem to hold a bit of a mythical standing.
I rate Fury's win over Wilder as very good as Wilder was Undefeated even though many have questioned some of his opposition
I rate Fury's win greater than say Parkers or Zhangs even though they were arguably more convincing at first ask. Alot of that can be down to Undefeated confidence and some fighters don't tend to recover from a loss and not the same after often losing fights that it is doubtful they would have lost before

 

Thanks for confirming
I thought he was

 

What's with the legion of Joshua fans quoting that Wallin was "Top 5 with TBRB"? Who the **** respects an organization that has Wallin as top 5, ever? The Ring rating was to try to bolster the "epic comeback run" of Joshua. I've gone through this exercise before - if you list out the heavies from that time period, Otto is clearly not a top 10. Not once in his career was he better or more accomplished than Chisora.

 

Fury did far better against Usyk than Joshua.

I don't have time to go through your wall of text, but Otto Wallin sucks, 283lb Andy Ruiz sucks, and those are all Joshua has to show for 7 years to accompany his 4 losses.

He's not a top 5 fighter and it couldn't be more obvious.

 

The fact is, Wallin was widely perceived as a Top 10 guy at the time and these rankings are a proof. You can have a different opinionon on that, cool, but you're in a minority and now you're going into conspiracy theories on how people tried to bolster some imaginary run. You literally had Bob Arum saying Wallin will defeat Joshua. Was he trying to hype AJ up as well? You AJ haters are brainlets, I swear to god.

 

The fact is, beating a mediocre cruiser who has done NOTHING at HW in Gassiev by SD and a washed up Breazeale does NOT make you a top 10 HW. That's reality - whatever people chose to perceive at that time is up to them. If you've followed boxing long enough (you seem to have made your account in 2024) you'll see that when Money fighters are about to face a borderline top 10 guy, their ranking magically pops up. This is a business. Carry on about how Wallin was top 5 for a SD win over...Gassiev, oh brilliant defender of Joshua.

 

Sure, buddy. If you've followed boxing long enough, you should know that the lower portion of the Top 10 is usually pretty even. You have Ajagba and Wardley now as a Top 10 contenders by The Ring. Are they really? Wallin magically didn't pop up in the rankings because he was about to fight AJ, so there goes your conspiracy theory.

I have AJ rated below Hrgović and would have had him rated below Fury as well, if Belly wasn't retired. So I'm kinda bad of a AJ defender. But to you guys anyone who doesn't hate on the guy is a fanboy, lol.