When Champions Upset Their Challengers

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  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Carter could be brilliant at his best but I don't think there has ever been a more inconsistent champion aside from maybe Battling Battalino who was also mentioned in this thread. I believe that Carter was connected to the mob and participated in some fixed fights (with him not fighting to the best of his ability). In rematches he usually schooled his opponents.

    I do think that SuzieQ meant Ike Williams though. Now he could reasonably be rated number 2.

    More of Jimmy Carter for those who haven't seen him fight:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxDsX76C28g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYrYKa0ir-U

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9X6M05kzG0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiPwYI95JZ8
     
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  2. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Calzaghe over Lacy, does that count?
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Sorry I switched him and Ike Williams name accidently...But I stand by my assessment jimmy carter at his best is a top 10-12 lightweight of all time
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    . Ike Williams is my # 2 lightweight of all time. Carter's win over Araujo is a huge win. Carter was not some mob controlled 2nd rater, he was a great fighter with terrific skills, speed, and punching skills.
     
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  4. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    It could be wrong. Most of the information I've seen surrounding the fight labeled Arguello the favorite, and I remember hearing 2-1, but I don't have a direct source to back that up.
     
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  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Tommy Burns was a 3/1 underdog against Bill Lang.

    This is often forgotten when discusing the quality of his title opposition.
     
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  6. biglads

    biglads Climbing the WBO Rankings Full Member

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    I vaguely remember Cooney being favoured over Holmes.
     
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  7. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Nice to see a mention of Mr. Langfranchi.

    He certainly mixed with the best that came to Oz.
     
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  8. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    That was a unification bout, although Calzaghe had his belt much longer than Lacy had his.

    Likewise for Hopkins-Trinidad.
     
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  9. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bingo! :D
     
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  10. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

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    Qawi beating Saad Muhammad in the rematch.I think Saad was favorited.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Leonard was an underdog v hearns.

    Rahman an underdog v Lewis.

    the biggest example most be baldomir being an underdog v Floyd.
     
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Holyfield-Tyson II
     
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  13. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Michael Spinks in his second fight with Larry Holmes.
     
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  14. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Antuofermo/HaglerI

    I know some disagree, but Vito deserved the 'draw' in my opinion. Hagler cruised down the straight and Antuofermo caught up; And as the defending champ Vito rightly got the benefit of any doubt.
     
    TBooze, Nov 29, 2012
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  15. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe Brown was the underdog in a couple of his defenses.
     
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