When did Ali's "Parks" issue truly come into view? Yes, '84 is noted, BUT!?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by MRBILL, Apr 28, 2011.

Page 1 of 2
  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2008
    Messages:
    21,116
    Likes Received:
    110
    Fellas,

    Yes, Yes, I know that technically Ali was not diagnosed with Parks syndrome until 1984 while he was retired from boxing, but, in my book I think he was probably suffering from the early stages of the syndrome as early as 1978 against Leon Stinks. By 1979 when he was filming "Freedom Road" his speech was okay, but slowed... By the time he came back to be battered by Larry Holmes, Ali was clearly ill and affected... IMO!

    Anyone care to challenge or debate my belief?:huh:bbb

    MR.BILL:hat
     
    MRBILL, Apr 28, 2011
    #1
  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2009
    Messages:
    25,080
    Likes Received:
    8,468
    I can remember,as clear as daylight,when I first noticed that something was wrong with Muhammad. Although I did n't think it was anything serious at the time. It was in 1979,when Muhammad came over to Britain on his 'Retirement' tour. He was doing this television programme called 'Muhammad Ali's Greatest Hits' Anyway,on this prog,his voice sounded croaky,and I thought it was just a cold or sore throat. When he announced that he was coming back to fight Larry Holmes,his voice sounded worse,and all the papers were now talking about it. By the time he came back,again,to fight Trevor Berbick,his face had started to adopt that sometimes expressionless look. So bloody sad.
     
    Stevie G, Apr 28, 2011
    #2
  3. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2008
    Messages:
    21,116
    Likes Received:
    110
    Sounds about right to me.....:yep

    MR.BILL:bbb
     
    MRBILL, Apr 28, 2011
    #3
  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2009
    Messages:
    25,080
    Likes Received:
    8,468
    I'd like to comment on how he sounded on Freedom Road,but I have n't seen it since it first came out,and could n't find it on youtube,last time I looked.
     
    Stevie G, Apr 28, 2011
    #4
  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2005
    Messages:
    58,748
    Likes Received:
    21,565
    Definitely slurring his speech quite badly in 1979.
     
    Unforgiven, Apr 28, 2011
    #5
  6. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2009
    Messages:
    25,080
    Likes Received:
    8,468
    Some have commented that his speech sounded slurred in his 1977 film,The Greatest. I thought that he sounded ok. I'll watch it again tonight.
     
    Stevie G, Apr 28, 2011
    #6
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2009
    Messages:
    27,674
    Likes Received:
    7,648
    acording to angelo as a bright young, hyper active youth ali could all of a suden fall asleep even whilst talking. I dont know if that is normal.
     
    choklab, Apr 28, 2011
    #7
  8. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2008
    Messages:
    24,813
    Likes Received:
    20
    In hindsight the symtoms are noticable as early as the first Spinks fight.
     
    slip&counter, Apr 28, 2011
    #8
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2005
    Messages:
    61,031
    Likes Received:
    45,259
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1PPM7q4ziY[/ame]
     
    Seamus, Apr 28, 2011
    #9
  10. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2008
    Messages:
    21,116
    Likes Received:
    110
    I recall Ali needed 30 takes to get it right---enough for release.... D-Con bug killer.....
    :shock:
    Ali was slurring in his cameo of "Body and Soul" with Leon Isaac Kennedy.:deal

    I still like that low-budget flick....:hey

    MR.BILL:hat
     
    MRBILL, Apr 28, 2011
    #10
  11. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2005
    Messages:
    5,667
    Likes Received:
    38
    The post fight interview for the first spinks fight tipped me off something was wrong. his speech was very low, slow, and slurred.
     
    klompton, Apr 28, 2011
    #11
  12. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2008
    Messages:
    21,116
    Likes Received:
    110
    Anyone remember Ali being announced in the ring before "Tyson-Spinks" and Ali came into the ring with shades on and all wobbly?
    :|

    MR.BILL:patsch
     
    MRBILL, Apr 28, 2011
    #12
  13. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2009
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    57
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0aSsrEt2Ao[/ame]


    At 6:39 Ali is introduced, his movements were stiff, slow & he shook bad after touching Mike's glove at 7:13. :verysad
     
    Kalasinn, Apr 29, 2011
    #13
  14. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2009
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    57
    I thought Ali sounded fine in "The Greatest", i think it will have been filmed before his hugely damaging '77 fight with Shavers.
     
    Kalasinn, Apr 29, 2011
    #14
  15. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2008
    Messages:
    21,116
    Likes Received:
    110
    Ali was fine in '77 at age 35, but his skills were in decline as evident against the rugged but limited Shavers.......

    Ali's dec. over Shavers is, in my book, his LAST great effort / performance..:deal

    MR.BILL:hat
     
    MRBILL, Apr 29, 2011
    #15
Page 1 of 2