When does it become not OK to fight Tomato Cans?

As long as a fighter keeps scheduling credible fights, he can fight all the bums and tomato cans he wants in between. Alot of latin fighters do this, while fighting 2-3 decent opponents a year. It really the way boxing used to be.

 

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Well no.... Thats why I picked Haye - Bonin and Adamek - Pianeda as examples.... LH to CW is a huge jump and CW to HW can be a risk so a journyman or 2 isn't much of a big deal...

But yea like you said, those much smaller divisions I don't see much of a need...

Roy Jones would been a good example too tho..

Another aspect can be when your fighter who hasn't fought in ages, should get the option to deserve a tomato can fight... One that comes to mind is Golota - Bates or like Brewster should of done vs Wlad the second time....those are just some that comes on the top of my head..

Sometimes tho fighters don't need that and take the risk and it works with them ... like Peter vs Vitali or Maske vs Hill....

Thats just amazing tho.... Henry Maske came back after 10 years with no tuneup and comes back to beat Virgil Hill. :admin

Can't top that looolz

 

It's the ability to formulate such a reasoned critique as this that has America renowned throughout the world as the home of fairness and diplomacy:yep

When a fighter stops fighting tomato cans depends on his ability and how often he fights. By definition a tomato can can comfortably fight other tomato cans all his career and still produce good, exciting fights. In fact by definition the vast majority of fights are actually TC Vs. TC and they produce no end of good fights. It's boxings bread and butter. For those who didn't see the card at the York Hall tonight (the card that fury was on) The main event was an absolute humdinger. Neither fighter is a world beater though.

However, someone like Khan started to ring alarm bells for me after about 15 fights. His opponents were all reasonable, but there was never a step up in class (still hasn't been). All limited, aging fighters with poor KO records. One or two of these could have been considered a reasonable test, but by the time you get to 5 or 6 fighters all of the same level billed as marquee fights then you have to start thinking about where a fighter is going.

So for me, for a 'hyped' fighter with designs on a world title you should be stepping out of your comfort zone and taking a real risk after about 15 fights. Losing at this stage doesn't really matter, what matters is the learning and developing.

Edit: I should just add that once you;re established as long as you're going after the best once or twice a year I don't see the harm in keeping sharp and trim and keeping the bank balance ticking over by taking on fighters you can beat comfortably now and again

 

i agree

 

:good

 

amateur pedigree is a huge factor

 

After 15 fights you shouldn't be fighting cans period.

 

future p4p?by fighting tomato cans..wtf..

 

Very good point. Most Classic ATG fighters did it all the time as well, hence so many of them having 50+ fights.

It is also interesting see how many Classic ATG have losses to no names, guys they might drop a decision to and then rematch again like 3 weeks later.

That was when fighters fought more often at there natural weight class though and having a loss wasnt considered career ending.

 

nah im sorry mate but ellis is a tomato can, maybe once he was a half decent domestic level fighter, but now hes a tomato can, but usually a fairly resiliant tomato can so all kudos to fury

 

Tzsyu stepped up his comp after only 14 fights by fighting for the IBF JWW strap, but we all know that he had a strong amateur background. On the other hand, JCC has been fighting cans and padding up his record because he does not have experience in the amateurs.

id say if you are ready, you can start looking for a live opponent on your 15th or 16th fight.