Where do you rank Joe Joyce?

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  1. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think at this point Joyce beats Wilder.
     
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    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The most deceptive fighter in the history of the sport, a walking paradox, and TBE when it comes to slow/fast speed and mummified athletic slickness.
     
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    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Problem is if you're talking about resumes there's a bunch of other fighters with far strong ones than Joe - Usyk may not, but Whyte clearly does, so do Ruiz and Parker, even Wilder has won as many fights against gatekeepers (2x Ortiz) and a load more journeymen.

    If you want to talk H2H then Joyce does appear to be better than his resume... If you want to talk resumes first and foremost he's nowhere.
     
  4. Ilesey

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    Toward the bottom half of the top 10, anywhere between 8-10 is fair.

    He is getting battered soon in my opinion, not a fan, he’s too stationary and eats punches. He gets hammered soon enough.
     
  5. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Joyce is the best fighter after Fury

    He beats Whyte, Wilder & AJ.
     
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  6. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    It's a difficult one to call for me.

    Joyce is very easy to hit and doesn't move that quickly - giving Wilder an easier time finding time and space to swing.

    On the other hand, Joyce seems to have a good chin so he could potentially take it, whether he can knock Wilder out or not I'm not sure, and on points anything could happen.

    To be honest it'd be easily the top win on either mans resume.
     
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    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    On what basis do you say that?

    H2H? No.
    Resumes? :risas3:
     
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  8. Mighty

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    Good chin wouldn't save him. Breazeale has good chin and is easy to hit. What happened? Wilder is a bum but his right is brutal.
     
  9. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    If a fighter was ever tailor made for Wilder, then Joyce is it - with the possible exception of his chin, he took some massive hits from Dubois and shrugged them off.

    If anyone is going to take clean blows from Wilder and remain standing it's Joyce... And believe me if they fought, he'd certainly have to if he wanted to win.

    I don't buy the Wilder hype but H2H Joyce is made for Deontay.
     
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    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Breazeale does have a good chin but he doesn't have a great chin. People saw how he didn't fold immediately after getting hit by AJ like everyone else and took him several rounds and thought he was the next coming of Oliver McCall. But Mansour had him down so did Ugonoh and of course Joshua stopped him.

    Wilder hits extremely hard and how he stopped Breazeale was impressive, but Stiverne took him 12 rounds the first time when he wasn't completely shot, Fury took his best punches and got back up and I'd argue Joyce has a better chin than Fury, though his powers of recovery have yet to be tested like Fury's. Though as an amateur Kuzmin flattened him with a huge shot and he got right back up and looked fine. If anyone can take Wilder's right hand it might be Joyce.
     
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  11. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder's Achille's hill (that can specifically be exploited by Joyce) is that he can't fight going backwards. Look what Tyson (a more or less finesse boxer/puncher) did to him. Joyce has shown thus far a stone jaw, Joyce also works behind probably the most brutal jab in the division. We've seen Wilder have extreme trouble with someone intent on simply jabbing him. A come forward, power jabbing, much bigger and physically stronger man with the ability to take the errant Wilder haymaker spells disaster at this point in his career.
     
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