Where do you rank Larry Holmes?

Or Bryant Jennings, who isn't even a puncher. It will be interesting to see how he handles Wilder, assuming Wilder doesn't have to fight Povetkin first and loses to him.

He definitely looks more tentative than he used to.

 

He was being embarrassed and out boxed prior to quitting.

 

Like he knocked out Haye ?

And Povetkin ?

And Jennings ?

And Wasch ?

 

It was a fairly even fight. However a lot of that may have been because of the substance that got in Ali's eyes too.

Still, neither fight was exactly what I would call decisive.

 

Well, the first was pretty decisive IMO, when you consider the ointment, and how it unfolded after Liston realized that neither intimidation nor liniment were going to get the job done.


The second was even more decisive, but for a fairly major asterisk regarding the legitimacy of the KO (dive ?).

Either way, I don't think there's much doubt as to who was better.

 

I noticed alot of people are putting Wlad as a top 5 ATG heavyweiight why is that?
As for Holmes hes probably somewhere in the bottom top 10

 

Agreed. He's been knocked out by class B fighters on three occasions and has dominated a relatively weak era. Top 20 all time maybe, top 5 no.

 

Pretty simple for me....I don't think there's 5 other heavies in history that make it through his record 64-3 or better.

 

I do. Foreman, Ali, Holmes, Lewis, and Louis all just off the top of my head. Unlikely any of those guys lose to three guys the caliber of Brewster, Purrity, or Sanders. One or two maybe, but not three.

And all of them plow through all Wlad's opponents of the last ten years with little difficulty. David Haye prime and healthy might give those five some problems, and maybe Alexander Povetkin as well. Other than that none of them would be troubled by any of Wlad's opponents in recent years.

Wlad is definitely top 20 of all time, MAYBE top 10, top 5? No.

 

in your opinion.

 

Wlad has the greatest longetvity
Of any career heavy
In boxing history

None you named
Could do the same
All on decline
By the age of 30
Before win 50
Losing to lesser
Losing to smaller

 

Longevity can be greatly aided by poor competition. Plus fighters today have a lot more available to them as far as nutrition and technology to keep them going longer. It doesn't make Wlad a top 5 all time HW. He is undoubtedly a great fighter, but I don't think he is top 5.

 

Competition like Spinks
Leon the novice
Aging light heavy Jinx
Would Jimmy
End the run
Maybe less activity
Like Lenny
Decrease fights
By twenty

Oh how sad
you credit
Everything but Wlad
No nobody
Personally
Responsible for
Longetvity
Could happen
To any
Just lucky

 

what in the hell? is this eubonics or something?

 

In hell exactly
And no argument
Not surprisingly