Where do you rate Jack Dempsey and why?

Too quick to jump the gun to defend Dempsey. Fair enough I'm not a fan, but I was just giving examples of why 'hype job' isn't a ridiculous title when you look at this very forum and the labels given to fighters for lesser crimes.

 

Just in that short post you contradict yourself.
I tell you what,the mystery is why we bother replying to you...
Your mind is always made up before anybody says anything or shows evidence.
And im still waiting for this empirical evidence about boxers being physically more advanced overall....(even from the last 30 years.)

 

It's too hard to rate Dempsey against the best of the big men based on his career inactivity as champion and his drawing the color line v.s. Wills. We know he was a terrific fighter but the rest is speculation. I can see him giving an Ali or Holmes trouble based on his speed and power and I can see him being smashed like Marvis Frazier against a prime Tyson. I just don't know ..

 

If any fighter today had control of the undisputed HW title for as long as Jack did, KO'd a LHW champ, worked up the Heavyweight 1RKO record and done it all while barely breaking 200 in his career he'd be near the top of the pound for pound charts. There is no big fighter out there with 83 professional fights. You can't be exposed 7 years into your title reign, only the dumbest dumb****s and no legitimate mouthpiece for contemporary boxing would say something like that.

The presence of the internet does not improve the ability to look at a fighter's record. If anything, forum posts and topics like these, the nitpicking, trolling and bull**** obscure and distort a fighter's quality beyond belief. Hype job is mostly a word used by people with more glass jaw avatars than sense. Calling a pound for pound great like Dempsey a hype job is conclusively ******ed. Klitschko too, to be honest, and I hate him as a fighter.

 

You got it. But it's not a minority. Stupid, yes, but not a minority. Based on this website anyway. More posters use those terms than not.

 

That's kind of silly, since you of course know such evidence is more or less impossible - both when it comes to proving that progress have taken place and that it haven't.

But that there are evidence of progress in other sports, which you at least can call circumstancial evidence of the likelihood of progress also in boxing.

 

Your second paragraph is exactly my point.

 

A thoroughly honest answer!

 

Which are Dempsey's win over world class fighters then? Brennan, Fulton, Levinsky, Miske, Gunboat Smith?, Willard, Gibbons, Carpentier?, Firpo and Sharkey?

 

Very true.

 

Where would you put the boundary of world class in todays terms?

What ring ranking would they need?

 

Let's say top 10 at HW.