Where does Ricardo Lopez rank amongst Mexican's?

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  1. Baby Bull

    Baby Bull Active Member Full Member

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    I must admit i don't know much about the lighter weights but i have gained a interest on him. Seeing some of his highlights he was a very offensive fighter which is unusual as guys, often as dominant as him and on massive unbeaten streaks, are often more defensive(RJJ or PBF). Did he completly dominate his era, or did he seek weaker challenges and pad his resume? Or did he take on all challenges and was so good he beat them all? Also what was the minimumweight and lightfly era like then?
     
  2. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    The division is just weak historically. There wasn't much there for him to fight, but he did totally dominate. Lopez was textbook perfection, a complete fighter, he did absolutely everything right. Granted, he didn't really have the opponents to test him much. He could have looked for big fights against Michael Carbajal or Chiquita Gonzales at 108lbs, but they never came off.

    The best fighter he ever faced was Rosendo Alvarez, who gave him hell, but was a naturally bigger man and facing a faded version of Finito.

    Lopez is a great fighter imo, and because his resume is weak, that greatness is based almost eniterly on his sheer dominance and tremendous ability. Obviously there are guys who did it against superior opposition, but you'll find that hardly anyone looks better on film than he does.

    5-10 range in the list for great Mexicans is where I would place him.
     
  3. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Close to the top, just behind Chavez, Sanchez, Olivares & Zarate.
     
  4. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Borderline top 10.
     
  5. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    nice one...but i have lopez at 4th
     
  6. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If your talking strictly popularity wise, He could also be a little below, Pipino Cuevas & possibly Humberto Gonzalez. Icons in Mexico.
     
  7. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    I'd say top ten.

    Textbook boxer, absolutely perfect.

    Greatest strawweight who ever lived, it's just a shame his competition wasn't up to par.

    A surefire all-time great imo.
     
  8. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I would have rated him 4 or 5 not long ago...But upon further reflection I have come the realization that the fact is his resume is just so weak that his clear ability and in ring dominance is not enough to overcome the gulf in the level of opposition compared to the other Mexican greats.
    Who were nearly as good, often perhaps even better, but showed this against a far superior level of competition.

    Id probably slot him in 7-9...Chavez, Sanchez, Olivares, Canto, Zarate, Morales and probably even Barerra would likely be ahead of him in my list these days.
     
  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chavez
    Sanchez
    Canto
    Saldivar
    Olivares
    Zarate
    Morales
    Barrera
    Arizmendi

    would all have to rank above him.

    Then he's in a discussion with Rafael Herrera, Chucho Castillo, Jose Medel, Lupe Pintor, Jose Becerra, Raul Macias and Kid Azteca. Juan Manuel Marquez too, though he's not finished yet to properly rank him.

    Lopez is probably above the likes of Humberto Gonzalez, Effren Torres, Guty Espadas Sr., Juan Herrera and Rodolfo Martinez, but all those fighters had much better wins than him, for they al faced better competition.
     
  10. beecho1988

    beecho1988 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Top ten with Mexicans, I would have him at no.1
     
  11. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yep Vicente is a definite lock above him...forgot about him.
     
  12. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As far as Mexican Boxing goes....I divide it in two eras before Ricardo and after Ricardo.

    He and Barrera are mainly responsible for the new era of Boxer Punchers out of Mexico.

    Mijares, Marvin Quintero, and Juan Manuel Marquez. His influence may be greater than his resume. You have to give the guy props for fighting opponents that outweighed him and destroying them. Most of his best fight were in Japan (I think)....
     
  13. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    What would you call Olivares and Saldivar ricard?

    Id say they fit that boxer-puncher mould pretty well...and they were well and truly the contemporaries of the fighters you mentioned.

    Lopez only fought a few times in Japan from memory mate...he fought more in Mexico and the States. I would also say he never really fought guys who were much bigger then him, he was a respectable build for a straweight.