Where Would Bowe Have Ended Up, Fighting Prime Liston?

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  1. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes
    He was okay but small and not on Holyfield's level
     
    themaster458, Jun 1, 2025 at 7:55 PM
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    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Holyfield's level? As in the guy that got beat by Mike Moorer and John Ruiz? OK, brah.
     
    Seamus, Jun 1, 2025 at 7:58 PM
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    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Both would demolish Patterson LOL
     
    themaster458, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:04 PM
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    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Problem is Bowe was kept away from punchers. Liston's opponents may have been small but that does not mean he didn't have the power to ko much bigger men.

    Usyk's cruiserweight opponents weren't huge and he wasn't exactly ko'ing world class cruiserweights. But when he moved up, he showed a smaller man can hurt much larger men if he has the skill to land.

    Just because Liston did not ko 250 lb heavyweights does not mean he did not have the power to. The majority of the biggest heavyweight hitters in boxing history weighed between 210-225 lbs at their peak. We know that Foreman had the power to put away such men and Foreman himself said Liston was one of the 5 hardest punchers he fought and/or sparred against.

    At the very least, Liston is in the same league as Ruddock, Morrison, Mercer and perhaps even Lewis in terms of power. And Bowe was kept away from all big punchers in his era. Which begs the question: why?
     
    dmt, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:11 PM
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    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Never showed he could so at that point its speculation
    "If" which Liston does not have in the slightest


    Hardest heavyweight hitters in boxing history were Lennox and Wlad both were 240 at their peak
     
    themaster458, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:21 PM
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    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    "Hardest hitters" "History" and "Wlad" in the same sentence :mad::mad::ohno:ohno:ohno:):nonono:ibutt:nonono
     
    Mandela2039, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:30 PM
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    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes easily. Facts don't lie even if you dislike them
     
    themaster458, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:34 PM
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    Uh, nah brah. Put it to a poll if you think otherwise. Patterson was probably the fastest elite heavy ever and had was a very sound boxer.
     
    Seamus, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:36 PM
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    Manny said otherwise.
     
    Seamus, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:36 PM
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    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Well of course its speculation. All of this is speculation. Those giants weren't available in that era. But everyone who fought Liston mentioned being in awe of his power.

    Liston absolutely has enormous skill.

    I said majority of hardest hitters. This includes Foreman, Tua, Tyson, Coetzee, Wilder, and yes, Liston. And of course Lewis and Wlad are up there too. So yes, majority of the hardest hitters ever are in the 210-225 lb range.
     
    dmt, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:38 PM
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    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Lies do lie tho
     
    Mandela2039, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:44 PM
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    Agree to disagree
     
    themaster458, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:46 PM
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    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't see any here
     
    themaster458, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:47 PM
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    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    fact checked my answer
     
    Mandela2039, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:49 PM
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    Technically correct
     
    themaster458, Jun 1, 2025 at 8:52 PM
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