Which ATG`s could have won a world title in their 2nd bout?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Loma won a title in his 2nd profight, but that was after having one of the greatest amateur careers of all-time, is there any other fighter that could have done the same thing?
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Not many. Alot of ATGs were raw to begin with and became much much better later on. Experience is priceless.

    But I think Loma deserved the nod against Salido when I last watched it, so Loma's 1.
    Leonard probably could've done it against the right champ.
     
  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti The Ad Wolgast of Googling Stuff Full Member

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    Not sure I'd call him an ATG, but I think Jimmy Britt could have done it.
     
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  4. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sorry kid. No ****in way. Leonard was rocked to the foundation by second fight opponent Willy Rodriguez. Yoy would know this if you took years and studied instead of just being a knowitall who doesnt listen. This place is becoming boxing 101 kindergarten . goodbye for a while.
     
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  5. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I suspect plenty of Olympians have a chance:

    Ali beats Patterson
    Leonard beats Palomino and Cuevas
    Holyfield could win a 190lbs title
    Spinks/Galindez may have been interesting
    Taylor/Pryor would have been fun
    Whitaker/Ramirez even in 85 is close

    Of course this is all with a ton of hindsight (and they hardly dead certs either) and any promoter worth anything would rightly not have risked these fights.
     
  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    I mean against a poor champ at the end of his prime someone like John H Stracey. Although the timings weren't right for something like this. He was skilled enough to.
    Right. Coz I don't listen to people.
    Morlocks, do you know how stubborn you are? Please don't talk to me like I don't take what people say on board.

    Also what's your point? He shut Rodriguez out and made him take a standing 8 count.
    Lmfao you troll at like every opportunity and have caused 2 great posters to leave.
    Safe lid
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No way could Taylor have taken Pryor`s power and he was too easy to hit.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali didn`t look good at all v Doug Jones and was floored in that bout.
     
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  9. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Look at the timeline, we are talking Coke damaged Hinton Hawk, not peak Pryor.
     
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  10. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, he was not floored. Jones was awkward and I did suggest it was not certain, but with nearly 60 years of hindsight my fiver would be on the young Ali to beat Patterson.
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe I was getting mixed up with the Sonny Banks fight then.
     
  12. Zulawski

    Zulawski The Fistic Pariah Full Member

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    Loma kind of invented that immediate push. Most guys won't have the backing to land a fight like that so soon. You see some more amateurs trying it now. Probably easier with the relaxation on pro/amateur distinction. Madrimov lost an amateur fight earlier this month and won his pro fight. Could other people have done it or do what Loma did going forward? Find a terrible champion and a good amateur. Not hard to find the former in a landscape with a million belts.

    For a current example, I'd give Lazaro Alvarez a decent shot at beating a current featherweight champion in his first pro fight. If he could make 122, I'd be almost certain.

    Like with unifying / becoming undisputed, this is really a political question. Of course you have to be a good fighter too. Not ****ting on Loma. I think it's more impressive he almost beat Salido than actually beating GRJ.
     
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  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roy Jr weighed 155 in his second fight in June 1989.

    Rene Jacquot held the WBC junior middle title at the time and Darrin Van Horne won the IBF a month later. I reckon RJJ could have shed a pound and taken either. Maybe both in one night.
     
  14. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Active Member Full Member

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    Maybe Rigondeaux? Depending on the “champ” I guess. I doubt he beats a Russell caliber guy after two fights.

    I think Roy Jones may have been ready pretty damn early too.

    It’s hard to handicap because previous eras it was harder to be a “champion” but Loma did beat a good fighter to win his.
     
  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Loma lost his second pro bout. He also had 6 "am" fights in WSBC which were the same as 5 round pro bouts.
     


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