Which better: ring belt or lineal?

the question would be like What is the real world champion in football? - the winner of the World Cup or no. 1 on Sports Illustrated's latest issue?"

The Ring is not a bad alternative to some of the individual belts, but at the end of the day it is just an american sports magazine that sells less copies than SI.

 

Exactly. The Ring belt is the most legitimate in the sport, because it is won or lost in the RING, where it matters - unlike those alphabet trinkets, which are sometimes just given out (Hasim Rahman is a good, recent example).

 

I went with current undisputed champion. If the choices was only Ring or Lineal. I would have picked Lineal sense that title dates back to the begining of the sport, The Ring starts in 1922 (I thik) so it to has some history behind it. In a perfect world there would be only one tittle per division. However we need to be realistic. There are four World tittles that are acatped as legidimit world tittles WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO. To be a champion a boxer must do so in the boxing ring. To truly be a champion he needs to unify all four tittles. This is no easy task consdering the politics involved.

 

So you're telling me that Hatton and Casamayor aren't current "real" Champions? :think


**** the four ABC pseudo-titles, the Champs can exist without them and are still Champs, and can only lose that title in the ring.

 

The Ring is full of problems.

The magazine has an undisputed tendency to rank Americans significantly higher than they objectively should be. This will always increase the likelyhoo of having an American Ring champ. So it is only partly won in the ring, much of it is won on paper by deciding who gets what ranking and whether or not to use the rule for "special occasions".

If an american is no 3 and fighting no. 1 in a division with no. Ring champ then "the special rule" almost always goes into action. If no. 3 is a none american then the rule almost never goes into action.

A recent example is Calzaghe-Lacy. Usually the champ is decided by 1 vs. 2 - however since Lacy was American and favoured (in the US) to win, "the special rule" was set in motion. Against expectations Lacy lost and that gave Calzaghe the belt instead.

So, very much of who is and who is not the Ring champ is decided on the desk of the Ring magazine. In reality the upcoming fight between 1 and 2 should have been the fight for the first real champion in many years and not the fight with Lacy.

The Ring benked on the Lacy fight being the main one ... and was proven wrong.

Lineraity will be inaugurated when Kessler and Calzaghe clash and THAT is what really should happen. The winner will also be the Ring champ, but it was a common show of US-bias that allowed the Lacy fight to be for the Ring belt in the first place. The Kessler-Calzaghe fight is happening DESPITE and not because of the Ring.

So in this as in most other cases linearity is far supiriour to the Ring.

 

All will be resolved in Cardiff.

 

They are trying to bring back credibility like the WBO, IBF, WBU, IBU, IBO, IBC etc

They should use their voice to make the WBC and WBA do the right thing.

They are corrupt and inaccurate just like all the other orgs.

 

That #3 vs. #1 for the vacant title also happened with an African vs. a European for the HW title in 2004.

What other occassions besides Lacy-Calzaghe did they have the #1 vs. #3 for the vacant title with an American?

 

Even Nigel Collins said that if The Ring's policy had been in effect back then, DM would've been the champ @ 175.

 

Have you seen this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIRJDYHIS0o

 

Ring wasn't awarding belts when DM won the title. By the time Ring had put it's policy back in effect, DM was Lineal and WBO champ (which still frankly isn't recognized by everyone....nor should it be. How can we complain about their being too many titles, then recognize ANOTHER one as being legit) and RJJ was the Undisputed champ.

 

They're mostly the same thing. RING generally recognizes people because they're linear champs. But overall, the linear title is the most important.

 

Undisputed/UNIFIED is the highest honor one can currently attain and the process guarantee's a new LINEAL Champion in a vacant situation. It means you beat all other CHAMPIONS or titleholders.

The idea of Lineal titles was to trace the real champion back to the time of when there was just one belt.


Ring?? Is hardly any different than any alphabet strap. Now, I like Ring and find them to be overall more accurate in rankings than the orgs's overall. They are a MAGAZINE!!! Would "sporting news" or any other publication start naming their own champs with relevance???:nono Granted Ring has a boxing focus as opposed to other sports but the point is an outside publication doesnt have the right or meaning to call the shots/ Unfortunately, with the lack of centralized and proper management of the sport of boxing creates the situation where someone like RIng can look at the corrupt conditions of the ORG"S and say, we're more relevant or above that.

RING DOES NOT EQUAL LINEAL:nono :nono :nono If you care to do any research you'll find that those that track Lineal Champs also have issue with Ring's rankings and credibility, just as they do the orgs.


All in all?? If, I were say...PBF??? I'd be looking to UNIFY at 47 and leave a legacy statement in beating the other Champions, EVEN THOUGH HE IS ALREADY LINEAL!!!! Fighting the top opposition is what leaves lasting historical impressions and UNDIPUTED/UNIFIED is the top honor. The current issue with unification is that it doesnt include the WBO and these day's that org has some real champs which would be excluded on that basis. IMO, the BO should be included.

The problem's with LINEAL and Unification?? They are still subject to org bull**** through mis mandatories, sanctioning fees, and corrupt rankings in vacant situations and during the unification process. It will take a complete restructuring of Boxing itself to alleviate the issues.

 

The linear title is the one that counts the man who beat the man etc. Why are you calling it lineal btw, im swedish and have better english than some born in english speaking countries amazing.