Which fighters should have been disqualified?

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  1. Arminius

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    I did not know that but regardless Duran was beating him to a pulp before the incident.
     
  2. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nonsense. Tszyu was the one doing the holding (on for dear life). Then also hit Hatton in the nuts to try and slow him down.

    Tszyu fans always try this , he just didn't handle the pace.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Duran was winning but could have been dsq'd
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    I never understand "he was winning anyway" arguments.
    A foul is a foul. And Duran committed a severe foul.
     
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  5. Unforgiven

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    I don't think Buchanan heard the bell. I don't think Duran stopped fighting at that point either. Those after bell shots were unintentional.
    I believe Duran hit Buchanan in the nuts intentionally and it was when the referee was jumped in. And the punch ended the fight. The foul was severe.
    Buchanan was taken to hospital where they performed surgery on his nut.
    Duran was awarded the championship on a DQ.
    I think that was wrong. Worse still, Buchanan never received a rematch.

    I don't care how great a lightweight champion Duran went on to be. It doesn't change the fact that fight was an injustice.
     
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  6. Clinton

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    I am certainly not a Tzsyu fan. But the fact remains the Hatton could bring a gun into the ring that night and Parriss would have let him. I'll never forget in the 6th round when Hatton grabbed Kostya by the head and held him while punching him at least 6 times while Parriss just stood there and watched. Unbelievable.
     
  7. Clinton

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    Duran responded with a foul after Kenny committed one. It's that simple. Period. You want to make up an excuse that Kenny couldn't hear the bell, please do. But that doesn't change the fact he broke the rules. End of. As far as a proposed rematch is concerned, there is nothing to indicate that Kenny wouldn't have gotten his ass handed to him again.
     
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  8. mcvey

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    • "Duran took liberties throughout the fight, primarily in the form of head butts and low blows. The only warning he received was for a low blow in the 13th round. Sports Illustrated reported: "Duran...used every part of his anatomy, everything but his knee, and he would be accused of that breach of etiquette, too." Buchanan said, "I had no protection from the referee tonight."
    • Going into the 13th round, the referee and both judges had Duran ahead by a wide margin. Referee Johnny LoBianco had the fight scored 8-3-1, judge Bill Recht had it 9-2-1, and judge Jack Gordon called it 8-3-1. The Associated Press scorecard favored Duran 9-3.
    • The two fighters fought after the bell ending round 13, and Duran caught Buchanan with a low blow. Buchanan collapsed to the canvas and grabbed his groin. He was able to get up but had to be helped to his corner. The referee took a look at Buchanan and stopped the fight. Buchanan said, "They helped me to my corner and then the referee said I couldn't come out. I told him I could keep boxing, but he said, 'You're not coming out.'"
    • United Press International reported: "Ken Buchanan looked like he had been mugged in a back-alley. His left eye was cut and partially closed. There was a slit under his left eye and his groin was throbbing with pain."
    • Doctor A. Harry Kleiman of the New York State Athletic Commission examined Buchanan after the fight and said, "He has a swelling of the right testicle. He’s in extreme pain." Years later, Buchanan said the low blow "dented my protector and metal burst into my right ball. I was peeing blood for days."
     
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  9. Clinton

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    I've seen that before, Mac, and always thought the 1st paragraph was a bit of an exaggeration. No doubt Duran was roughousing, but tone of that is that Duran won because he fought a dirty fight. Kenny had his moments but Duran wasn't just roughousing and out muscling, as he was simply beating Kenny to the punch.
     
  10. Clinton

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    Actually, Mac, you just gave me motivation to watch the fight again. Cheers lol
     
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  11. mcvey

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    I think Duran would have won but the foul does cloud things.Both guys hit after the bell.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    I think Duran "would have won" too but I think he should have been DQ'd.
    I also think his performance warranted him receiving a rematch, once the champion's testicles had been repaired and rested.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Yes, it had to go on a vacation.
     
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  14. KuRuPT

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    I don't remember Duran getting any low blows warnings prior to that ending "move". So if anything, the most that could've been done is maybe a no contest?
     
  15. KuRuPT

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    I think it's more of an injustice Ken never got a rematch than anything. Fouls were committed by both parties there. Tough call to make. If the ref didn't see it that way, how can you hold him accountable for saying it should've been a DQ? He didn't come out and say I saw a nut shot, but Duran was winning. He honestly thought it was a legal punch. Therefore, no DQ should've come.