Which fighters suffered the most through sharing an era with another fighter?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Jul 27, 2008.


  1. Muchmoore

    Muchmoore Guest

    Liston popped in my head. He would have likely ruled until Smokin Joe came around. Although I'd favor young Liston over Frazier he probably would of lost at that point.
     
  2. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

    19,404
    279
    Oct 4, 2005
    Joe Frazier and George Foreman. I don't think Frazier would've kept the title much longer than he did in reality; but at least he wouldn't have lost it in one of the most one-sided in humiliating fashions in the entire gloved boxing history.
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,973
    13,342
    Apr 1, 2007
    One sided, yes.

    Humiliating? Negative.

    You don't climb off the canvas that many times and leave the ring without people having new found respect for your willpower and guts decades later.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    114,815
    51,879
    Mar 21, 2007

    Good point. No Foreman I probably have Frazier at #3.
     
  5. Muchmoore

    Muchmoore Guest

    Good points, on second thought Liston probably wouldn't have had much of a reign at that point...
     
  6. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

    4,920
    12
    Feb 14, 2006
    rodrigo valdes? achieved a great deal in his career,but was in the shadow of monzon.
     
  7. Chinxkid

    Chinxkid Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,096
    4
    Apr 28, 2008
    Funny, 'cause the flip side is that these great rivalries are what made these guys too. LaMotta and Robinson, Ali and Frazier, etc, all had to rise to their best game for their most challenging fights.
     
  8. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,737
    3,589
    Jul 10, 2005
    Lew Tendler would have been champ had Benny Leonard not be ruleing the divsion in the way that he did.

    Billy Petrolle had one of the hardest eras to be champ, Here was a guy that had to get though the likes of Barney Ross, Jimmy McLarin, and Tony Canzi to be a champ, sadly he failed in his efforts in winning a world title. Just to many SUPER great fighters in the early 30's.
     
  9. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

    28,075
    57
    Oct 15, 2007
    Buchanan was a great pick, great boxer.

    Also, i dont know if this conforms with the thread, but Mike McCallum suffered maybe because of the greats around at the same time as him, not getting the biggest fights etc.
     
  10. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,931
    82
    Oct 1, 2006
    Sibson, Roldan, Hamsho
     
  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    55,251
    49,617
    Apr 27, 2005
    If he stayed there it would have been someone else kicking his butt in time - probably real soon.

    And moving up he still had McCallum to deal with. He was neatly outboxing Mike, but whether not having that defeat to Honeyghan behind would have made any difference vs Mike is up to the jury.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    55,251
    49,617
    Apr 27, 2005
    Yes, it would have been a deserved exclaimation mark on a great career.
     
  13. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

    12,028
    119
    Jun 30, 2008
    Tommy Hearns only lost in his prime to the two best fighters of his era, both by knockout. If you take away Leonard, he's for sure a top 5 welterweight by everyone, if you take away Hagler, he probably becomes the champ for that division and reigns until he either fights Barkley, which is a styles thing, or if he never fights Barkley, probably McCallum would beat that version of Hearns. If not, Toney surely would have.

    Top choice is still Buchanan for me.
     
  14. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

    32,127
    41
    Nov 2, 2007
    Buchanan and Liston are good mentions I feel.
     
  15. good right hand

    good right hand Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,876
    10
    Jul 26, 2004
    dejesus as mentioned was always the fighter that was ready to take the division if duran wasent there. he reminded me of todays miguel cotto becuase he could do anything in there and imo he was even a smoother fighter then duran. just not as strong or as good on the inside.

    if meldrick taylor dident have the greatest fighter in mexican history to worry about then he would surely have reigned as the greatest fighter not only in jr. lightweight but in the world for at least a little while. his career would have been greater then his already outstanding career was.

    luis rodriguez i heard had alot of hard luck being in the same era as curtis cokes, emile griffin and nino benvenuti