Which fighters would Chavez do better against than Duran would?

Prime Camacho would be just the type of character that could bring the animal out of Duran.

Hector's total lack of an inside game would probably see him get beat down worse than Vilomar did imo.

Chavez would beat the crap out of him too.

 

F'n right. Camacho would throw his super fast shots and Duran would beat the living **** out of him. Camacho would get right on his bike as he would be known for after Rosario I. Duran would pummel him.

 

He'd set a record for the number of times a fighter's hugged his opponent against Duran.

 

Duran would pull back and fire that right uppercut at him if he tried. I'd hate to see just how fired up Duran would get. He'd be screaming at Camacho to do something. And then continue beating him up.

 

No one. Maybe his beard is better suited to punchers (e.g. Hearns) but I can't see a massive difference really. Duran is all round FAR superior.

 

Julio Cesar Chavez' slick defensive skills.


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I dont agree, but I respect your opinion on Duran.

Bizarro and Fernandez are the only true movers that I saw on the clips.
We can throw out the Fernandez fight seeing as the ringsize Fernandez was forced to climb the ring against was pathetically small.

I still think Camacho gives Duran hell. Lots of movement and faster hands. Quicker and faster both of hand and foot than anyone Duran ever fought imo.
Duran loses his cool and I think that works against him against Camacho.

Would have been a great fight though, I'm certainly not saying Camacho takes it handily, Duran would have his moments and maybe even be good enough to edge it if he can force Camacho to be overly cautious and lose the fight on poor offensive activity. A prime Camacho though was very good offensively and letting his hands go.

Btw, I think Duran beats the Camacho Chavez faced by close but UD.
That certainly was not a prime Camacho, probably a couple of years removed from it.

 

The thing with Camacho is that he has literally no inside fighting ability.

As good as his speed and movement was in his prime, it's just unrealistic to believe that he could avoid Duran for large portions of the fight without having to stand and fight at close quarters at certain times.

His only inside game plan was to hold. That's not going to get the job done against Duran.

And let's not forget that even a peak Camacho was hittable. Guys like Rosario and even journeymen like Perez and Solis were tagging him in his prime and taking rounds from him.

I simply don't see him beating a prime Duran who is in good shape and up for the challenge.

The one that faced Chavez would literally be killed by Duran. That or he'd be DQ'ed for hugging incessantly.

 

This is where we disagree bigtime. The Camacho that faced Chavez had great legs to run on. He spent literally the entire fight on his bicycle and the only reason he could not avoid Chavez was because Chavez was relentless in his pursuit.
Duran's legs never chased anyone like that, lightweight or otherwise.

Duran's plods foward slowly and then he attacks cat like, quick and fast.
That type of a flow to the fight is a mover like Camacho's dream, because he's not under constant relentless pressure to get away and therefore is given time mentally to think what he's about to do.

When the pace of the exchanges slow, I think tha benefits the quicker faster fighter of both hand and foot and to me thats Camacho.

If I'm Duran I dont want to give the more agile of foot time to think, and thats exactly what Duran did in New Orleans with SRL and he ended up losing his cool and saying "**** it!"

 

Go watch Duran vs Buchanan.Chavez feet are bound in cement in comparison to that sort of footspeed and ability to close the gap.

 

To be fair though, Duran barely ever bothered to fight like that again for considerable length of time.

 

DeJesus.

Estaban was a great, great lightweight who would have reigned for quite a while in the 70's had Cholo not been around, but I don't see the lightweight version of JCC suffering the same type of issues that Duran did in the first two fights. Maybe Chavez drops a couple of the early rounds (without going down) but I can't see anything that DeJesus would be able to do to prevent JCC from establishing the hook and grinding him down in rather painful fashion through the second half of the fight.

Duran's better on the whole, of course, but DeJesus is indeed the one fighter that I think Chavez might have an easier time with, based on the way he fought.

 

An intersting one, because i've always had doubts about Dejesus stamina, but i tend to see Dejesus beating a less than 100 percent Chavez, same as he did with Duran.

Think a slicker, sharper Laporte in there with him.This moreso around 130\135 rather than 140 though where Dejesus seemed outright too small.

 

Are you equating Buchanan's speed of hand and foot to that of Camacho's?

Buchanan was a good boxer, but I dont think he was known for being speedy of hand and foot.
If a fighter does'nt have foot speed, of course Duran's is going to look sensational cutting him down.

I just saw a few of the early rounds of Duran vs Buchanan, and Buchanan strikes me to have the style of another tough fighter Chavez faced, Greg Haugen.
I would'nt doubt that Buchanan is better overall than Haugen, but they're cut from the same cloth as far as I can see and Chavez carried, chewed up, and finally spit Haugen up like a bully 4th grader beating up on a 1st grader.
Just saying......dont give me Buchanan of Duran's ability to cut off a ring when Buchanan's strenghths is not foot speed.
In fact from what I could tell, I would say Buchanan's foot speed is average at best.

 

You don't know a thing about any of these fighters do you?Probably best just to stay out of a Chavez\Duran discussion if you haven't bothered to watch the fights of one of the two fighters in discussion.

Dismissing fighters from a few rounds of youtube footage doesn't cut it.

btw it's relatively easy to make it look like you have quick feet if all you do is move around laterally with a minimum of offensive output.I prefer to look at effective mobility and Buchanan was one of the best multi-directional movers in the divisions history.One of the toughest to catch on the ropes as well.