Which is easier? DOMINATE ONE DIVISION or WIN TITLES IN MULTIPLE?

Dominate a single division for how long?

 

You're right......I have great respect for Manny Pacquiao for example, but he's not dominating the divisions he's stepping into.......

....for example, he left unfinished business with JMM at 130 lbs.......
....at 135 lbs it was one and out against the weakest of the champs, paper champion David Diaz.....then he abandoned that division leaving a load of talent behind....fighters like JMM, Guzman, Juan Diaz, Nate Campbell, Valero........

.....at the present, Pac is seeking avenues of the least path of resistance, but that also guarantee's him big money......in other words, name fighters who are on the down side.
I have every reason to believe that if Miguel Cotto wins against Clottey, but does'nt look good in doing so, it will be Cotto who he fights next......if Cotto looks spectacular in dominantly disposing of Clottey, Arum puts that fight on the backburner.......

.....as I said, a pick and choser will abandon divisions in order to avoid a particular fighter.

If Mayweather dominates JMM, the Pac side will say 147 lbs is not their division, Pac is too small......

If JMM beats Mayweather, the Pac side will say that Pac is struggling even to make 140 lbs, if JMM wants to fight Pac, it will be at 147 lbs and when Pac feels well and ready.......
.....those are the perks that go along with jumping weight classes, these fighters become pick and chosers and dont stay around to fight the different styles that each weight class has to offer.....

Notice that since Pac was schooled by JMM, he has'nt fought a true technician.......its called picking and chosing and going out of your way to make sure you dont fight a style that can trouble you......


Personally I liked the way Felix Trinidad faced the divisions he jumped into......he attempted to clean out the division before going on to the next.....

.......after beating DLH and DLH not wanting to rematch, he stepped into 154 lbs and dismantled Reid and Vargas.....
......then 160 lbs, Joppy, and on to Hopkins....never avoiding a dangerous opponent no matter the style matchup.......
.....had Trinidad beaten Hopkins, that would have meant that he had cleaned out 160 lbs, and it had already become public that Trinidad would take the next jump and go after an undefeated Roy Jones Jr......

.....the point being that Trinidad did it the way a true great should do it, he conquered or attempted to conquer each division and then stepped on to the next.
....thats not how most fighters today do it.

 

It depends obviously

 

I don't think Marquez can do what Pac has done. Floyd will kill him.
Pac is not avoiding anyone. He's searching for the best fights w/ the best rewards. That's his profession in the first place. So, let Marquez beat Floyd first to earn another rematch with Pac.

 

Maybe he will, and its likely what you're hoping for.....

.....but one thing is certain, a JMM loss in this instance does not mean that Pac is better than JMM....a victory by Mayweather is not a victory for Pac.....

If Mayweather beats JMM, Pac still has to prove he can beat Mayweather......and who's to say that JMM wont give Mayweather all he can handle.....but then Pac on his turn gets totally dismantled, or vice versa......

Thats why you make the fights, to find out!

 

I will say this about JMM, he jumps to multiple divisions the way people used to, fighting the man in the division. JMM goes up to 135 and he fights the lineal champ and then defends the title against the number 1 contender. Thats how you jump divisions, Manny can't do that so he doesn't even try. That is why he goes after Ricky Hatton instead of Bradley, that is way instead of fighting a 140 fighter he is off to fight a WW drained to 142 or some **** so that they are weak.

 

If for both options the fighter is assumed to fight the best opponents, then dominating one division would be the easier task (thou not really EASY to do).

 

true you got fighters like valero and linares who are 2 division champion and who have they beat really?

Linares best win= Oscar Larios
Valero best win = mosquera

Then you got the heavyweight division who's really weak.

Who you fight and beat is more important:good

 

I did not vote because I do not think there is a simple, black or white, answer.

If Paul Williams were to beat Felix Sturm, would we put him on the same level as Alexis Arguello who dominated 3 divisions? Or, on the same level with Hagler who cleaned out 160 multiple times?

Or, how about the SMW division today? If one man emerged as "The Boss" wouldn't we rate him higher than a division hopper who poached a few titles off weak belt holders?

I think you have to take it on a case by case basis.

 

this depends on a WHOLE LOT of factors...

 

How can you do one without the other? You can't fight the best in the division without fighting the other champions. Vitali and Vlad are trying win all the titles and are cleaning out the heavyweight division at the same time.

 

Generally, it is always a greater accomplishment to be successful and move up to face even bigger opponents and continue to be successful. Just as they say "a good big man beats a good little man", if you are moving up not because you can't make weight (RJJ, as an example) but because your superior skill set and physical attributes mean you can easily compete against bigger opposition (and often for bigger paydays) and, in particular, the best bigger opposition that says it all.

 

Which is harder?

Well, the correct answer is of course: It depends! It depends on which fighters are in the division and in the divisions around.

However, if we have to chose the hardest must on average be: To dominate a division. The reason is that to dominate a division a fighter cannot cherry pick, but has to take on the ones that have the four belts plus the contenders. The fighter cannot just take on the weakest of the four. For winning belts in say two divisions, the fighter can just pick the weakest fighter in the two. Easy peasy.

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NB. In the olden days, multiple divisions were harder than dominating a division, because there was only one champ per division and there were therefore no cherry picking possible and dominating a division was already part of it.

 

jumping up 1 or 2 divisions and getting titles there may not be too hard given the many belts available in each weight class. but there are boxers out there who have won titles in 4, 5 or even 6 weight classes while fighting through up to 10 weight classes from where they started their careers. surely, this is also very hard to do. there are also weak weight classes lacking in top level talent where a good fighter can dominate for years. that's why i can't really decide which is easier to do.

i agree to what ppl have been saying here. the two choices really depends on the quality of boxers you fight whether it's in one division or in multiple ones.

 

Agree with this.