Which top 10 WW hatton beats ???

Yea 147.

Witter isnt 147?

 

So?

Please quote me on that because if memory serves me correctly, I never once said that Witter knocks him out. I said Witter would decision Hatton and score a knockdown along the way. Hatton's krytonite is a counterpuncher that has the timing to catch him on the way in. Witter fits this bill, despite the loss today to Bradley.

Regardless, Hatton is not a top 10 welterweight, and he is still very beatable at 140. I wouldn't favor anybody at the moment, but some have the ability to pull it off.

 

Well, let's break that list down -

Margarito - B level, this is proven by his performances against Clottey and Williams. Even an annihilation should be expected. Enough of this ****ing Margarito ****.

De La Hoya now - B level.

Mayweather(147 inactive version) - Yeah, an ATG victory.

Other top Welter's include nothing but B or B-'s, it'd just be an accumulation of defences, the division outside of Cotto, Floyd and Mosely is weak.

.......

154's - Depends on who it is.

So for all of that, maybe somewhere in the 90's overall. I'm a fan of Cotto, but let's not overstate things, the comp just isn't there to place him with top 50's, if it was, he'd have dropped a few losses by now(which is not a big deal).

Floyd also is a top 80 fighter at best. If Floyd's a top 50 or whatever like people think, then Calzaghe is close to that, despite nobody would think such. Calzaghe doesn't struggle with ****ing B level's like Castillo when at the peak of his career, he defeats A classes like Kessler several years past his best.

 

Another issue is H2H Cotto is not that great at 147 even if he cleans it out including Mayweather... Mayweather H2H is nothing at Welterweight.

I can't pick Cotto over a prime - DLH, Mosely, Quartey, Forrest, Trinidad etc...

147 is Cotto's best weight 100%. Top 50? Impossible for him to reach on several grounds. He'd have to unify a stacked 154 pound division plus what was listed there.

Add on DOMINANT wins over Dziniruk, Forrest(now), Alcine and he's got more a case, + what Brooklyn listed. The type of performance is crucial here and he needed a domination over the aging version of Mosely, which he got a clear win, very good, more than what Joy Boy's done recently, but the win did more for showing how superior Mosely is prime for prime than Cotto.

 

Hattons a small junior welter and is far too small for WW, just as say Floyd is for say middle weight. It shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him with though.

Having said that Floyd is a stylistic nightmare for Ricky and he would perhaps fare slightly better at the weight against other opponents.

He does lose work rate and power though at the weight, probably two of his main assets.

 

Let's go ahead and say Vernon Forrest. What would that do for him if he was somehow able to move up and win?

 

FINALLY we agree on something. The Welterweight division is overrated. Mosley is still a top welterweight even at 36 year sold and I would favor him over most fighters in the division except Floyd and Cotto.

Now you're being foolish again. Calzaghe just got done struggling with a 43 year old Hopkins. Kessler has done NOTHING to prove he is an A class fighter. Absolutely ****ing nothing. Castillo was the best 135lb figher in the world when Mayweather fought him and is about as close to A class as you can get. Oh btw, styles make fights, and injuries make fights. And both were against Mayweather in the first fight.

 

It would have been easier for Cotto if he would have been able to magically start his career out at 135lbs and slaughter all competition from 135 140 and 147lbs. He had a decent run at 140lbs, if he didn't have weight issues he could have milked that division out until he retired. And in a head to head sense at 147lbs he lacks just because of the monsters that fought at 147lbs in the past.

Cotto is an excellent fighter though all he has to do is keep winning. He has been one of the funnest fighters to watch because he has weaknesses, and since we can't expect ATG **** from the guy but when he keeps winning its just that much sweeter.

 

a lww won a decision over collazo and only lost to the best fighter in the world, keep trying to discredit Hatton all u want, he tried ww beat a decent fighter and lost to Maywaether, I see no shame in that but its obvious he is best at lww, anything else?

 

Depends when he got to Forrest, in two years it's highly unlikely Forrest has anything left and while I still rate Forrest, I need to see him defeat a top LMW and get a belt. If Forrest is still on top and winning well by the time Cotto got to him, then it would do as much for him as his victory over Mosely.

But this guy is never going to be a top 50 ATG. Especially when people don't even want to rank Trinidad in the top 50.

I see a lot of posts sometimes like 'if so and so fighter fought today, he'd be an ATG', in talking about a fighter who picked some losses up in a great era....

Well, if the guy isn't an ATG already, why would he be in a weaker era just because the era itself is weak?:huh

I just firmly believe that the former era of Welter's were a level up from Cotto. The fact that Margarito is being thrown around as a serious win is sad, because he's truly horrible.

 

Fair enough. I was getting a little ahead of myself there, but I'll be content with a hall of fame bid. And if he were to unify the welterweight titles and beat Mayweather in the process, that would be assured.

 

Definitley, he can make it to the HOF if he gives dominant performance after dominant performance over these B-B+'s even without Joy Boy, but it'd have to be a heavy quantity...

A decisive win over Mayweather + becoming undisputed garauntee's him a HOF spot, but not an ATG yet.

Remember, lots of dummie's were writing him off after the Corley and Torres fight, I stayed faithful to my prediction that he'd be a serious force in his division(s), while they were claiming he's the next 'Gatti maybe'. I think he's doing quite well for himself garnering a top 5 P4P ranking and continuing to improve... but on the level of top top elite's, Cotto is not and never will be.

But he's still a fantastic elite fighter, would be the best Joy Boy ever faced... that also says plenty in favour of Mosely and DLH and a case for both to rank over Joy Boy.

I think a loss to Cotto, in pretty dominant fashion, will drop him down a well deserved two notches in most people's minds. He's barely an ATG and they act like he's unbeatable.

 

In terms of Hatton's ability at welterweight, I think he has it in him to beat about half of those. Certainly Zab, Clottey and Berto, with the possible additions of Williams, Quintana and Cintron. The ones that seem beyond him at 147 are Cotto, Floyd, Margo and Mosley.

At 140 presently, I would back him to beat all with the exception of Mayweather.

Has he ever looked like losing at 140?

42-0 (31KO's) no close decisions either and only one trip to the canvas.