Who could beat RJJ at 168 and 175?

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  1. McGrain

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    Moore was at or around the SMW limit when he stopped Sattersfield in 3, and around it when he stopped Williams in 11.
     
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  2. Sweet Pea

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    I agree, I said myself that there were quite a few options at 175. But that wasn't Jones's peak.
     
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  3. PowerPuncher

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    Tunney - backs up in straight lines with his hands down. Relies on speed/reflexs himself. Hes going to pay for all these things.

    Greb - I can't imagine Mr P4P losing to a smaller slower lighter hitting fighter

    Langford - hes going to get hit flush allot and hes going to miss allot. I just see him getting taken apart a little but having the durability to see it through perhaps.
     
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  4. PowerPuncher

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    Which are carbon copies of Roy Jones ofcourse ;)
     
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  5. PowerPuncher

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    He'd use little head movement, punch wide and be open to straight rights as he always has been and be punnished for all of those
     
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  6. McGrain

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    I have some sympathy with this - any fighter that rellies expressly upon an attribute where he finds himself outstripped in that attribute is going to have trouble. I pick Jones.

    Rematch would be interesting though.

    Which of these two do you think hit harder?

    Greb was supposedly struggling to make weight by the time he took on Walker at 160. Possibly a SMW division would have been made for him. Two things.

    Greb will throw and land more punches than Roy.

    Roy can't knock Greb out.

    Which of these statemets do you disagree with?

    This guy hit hard enough to crack Wills' chin. Writing of his chances of KOing Jones is rash at best.

    I think Langford should be favoured to land at some stage.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    No no!

    Although...Williams, super-slick, elusive, great counterpuncher, often failed to bring pressure even when his man was hurt...

    But my point was that Moore was in prime and still around the weight.
     
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  8. Bokaj

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    This is how I feel as well. People here seems pretty confident that that fighter and that fighter would knock Jones out, when no one actually came close to doing it when he was in his prime. I don't say it couldn't happen, but when I read some of these posts I feel that a bit more humility would be warranted concerning this.
     
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  9. PowerPuncher

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    BULL****, back him up, he side steps and wacks u in the face with a counter hook. However I tend to believe had more technical skill than hes given credit for, hes still too small and light hitting to beat RJJ though
     
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  11. PowerPuncher

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    1. Yep the style's all wrong for Tunney. I think power's overrated and I'd say its hard to tell who hit harder. Tunney had enough power to keep a 190lb Dempsey honest and knock him down, I tend to believe the power that saw RJJ destroy the like of Griffin was pretty special at 175 he looks far far more explosive than Tunney. SO both had enough power to trouble the other if it landed. I just see RJJ landing far far more

    2. In modern times with weigh ins the day before Greb would have little trouble making weight. RJJ also had an ultra low bodyfat making him very big/powerful for his weight class

    3. Grebb would try to throw more but his connect percentage would be very very very low. And once he gets countered for every mistake he makes he'll stop throwing so much. And being slower with a lesser reach hes going to miss allot and be made to pay allot with horrendous counters

    4. Yes Greb and anyone for that matter can be knocked out.

    5. RJJ is very hard to hit, if you hit him with your best shots you may KO him but if your lottery numbers come up you'll be rich, neither are likely. Wills is a slower moving object and was KO'd when he was inexperienced.

    Even if Langford does land, plenty of fighters landed on RJJ, Hopkins for 1, and in his prime Hopkins was somewhat of a monster himself
     
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  12. gilad

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    The 1997-2001 version of Bernard Hopkins has a great chance to beat him.
     
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  13. PowerPuncher

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  14. McGrain

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    Well, countering Greb is likely to be more difficult than you suggest, but this is the way it would have to work for Jones to win. I think it is difficult to be sure and either pick is reasonable. WOuldn't be as confident as you are in mine though...

    Of course!

    But by Jones? No way. A bigger man with a granite chin working very hard might get it done. Langford could maybe stop Greb, not Jones, not for me, not 1/10.

    Comparing Hopkins to Langford as a puncher is silly. But you knew that ;)
     
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  15. rydersonthestorm

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    I think it's abit strnage that everyone just thinks jones gets ht by a big shot and then gets koed. I think that part of the problem with his chin was going upto heavyweight, obviously he had slowed when johnson tarver got there wins but where the ko's due to him having a bad chin or the weight drain.
     
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