Who is England

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by quintonjacksonfan, Jul 11, 2007.

  1. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    AJ and Fury are the most high profile "active" fighters from England.
     
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  2. Mike Cannon

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    Morning Greg.
    Agreed, I am ok with Fury, sort of, but AJ irritates me somewhat, the fakery, the " street " talk, he just will not be himself in my eyes, so not very keen on either of them to be honest.
    stay safe buddy, chat soon.
    Mike.
     
  3. Greg Price99

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    Morning Mike,
    I wouldn't consider either as the most likeable, though Fury can be authentically funny. AJ strikes me as insecure and very impressionable. They're easily the most well known "active" English fighters to the general public, though.
     
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  4. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hi Greg.
    Of course they the most well known to the public being HWs and that's the rub, I have always felt they get too much publicity, too much exposure,and waaaay to much money, skill and ability wise, the lower weights produce, I would say, much more skilled and proficient fighters, with the obvious exceptions, Ali, Holy, Louis, Holmes, Lewis, etc, the division wasn't packed with skillful practitioners, the same could be said of CWs and to a degree LHWs, I would venture the lighter weights are stacked with polished, skilled, and versatile combatants, for me HWs are my second least fav weight class after CWs, as to the personality's and deportment of today's fighters, they leave me cold, again the fake hatred, the sit down where by they threaten to get up and fight there and then, the presser where the team pretend to hold them back, its pure pantomime and circus, only new fight fans or naive older fans are taken in, and talking of a circus, we now have the prospect of the AJ and Paul " fight " taking place, please on what planet is this to be considered a real fight, I know all the clichés about cashing in and legacy, the likes of Marciano, Dempsey, et al, must be turning in their graves at such a ridiculous contest, when I think back to all the fighters I have had the pleasure of talking to, for the most part the early to late 70s, how humble they were, how they carried themselves, the respect the had for their rivals, I had just finished a watching a sparring session of Straceys a few weeks before he went to Mexico, after he sat on the outside of the ring freely answering questions from all and sundry about the up and coming Napoles fight, he was magnamanus in his respect and admiration for the great champ, asked how the fight would go, and does he think he can beat Jose, he came back with, " I don't know if I will win, I hope so, but Napoles is a great fighter, it won't be easy " no trash, no swearing, same with Conteh before he fought Ahmadah, he was equally full of respect for his opponent's ability, such bygone times, current boxing holds no interest for me, when I saw Green v Palomino live, just before the the fight, the lights dimmed, the trumpets sounded, a single spotlight followed each fighter to the ring, that was it, now the pre fight " show " can sometimes last longer that the actual fight, truth be told I like chatting and reading the posts on here more than watching some fights, as Bob Hope sang " thanks for the memories " nuff said.
    stay safe Greg, chat soon.
    Mike.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I feel the same, Joshua comes across to me as being either so media trained, his actual personality fails to come through often enough to be endearing; or, he has such a bland personality that the only time he seems to be a mildly interesting character is when he's having a tantrum or showing off.

    Very strange persona imo, which is a shame because AJ is quite a fun fighter.
     
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  6. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good list but McGuigan was Irish. Jimmy Wilde was popular too.
     
  7. JackSilver

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    Canadian Lewis was never as popular or more well known to the Brit public as bruno .Yeah he was born in england but he only came back to england after winning Olympic gold for Canada because he thought that would benefit his pro career more. The brits never took to him or his personality which is why was jealous of Bruno’s popularity an called him a uncle tom. A real brit would never call another brit that
     
  8. JackSilver

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    McGuigan was british champ though wasn’t he?
     
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    Bruce Woodcock did crazy numbers in the forties and fifties.
     
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    Oh god it's the Lennox Lewis/Brit hater again.
     
  11. Special K

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    I hope all is well Mike. It’s interesting for me to read what you have said here. I wasn’t around / wasn’t watching much boxing in the days you describe.
    I totally agree with you about the trash talk that happens these days. I think it’s a sign of the decline of society in general and the sensationalist, headline grabbing, short attention span times we live in. One question though, do you blame AJ for taking the fight or is it a case of ‘don’t blame the player, blame the game’?
     
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  12. Mike Cannon

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    Hi Buddy.
    I don't blame AJ in the slightest, who amongst us wouldnt take the fight on, but as always the talk is of " legacy " what sort of legacy is going to be on AJs record by taking on Jake Paul, none I would imagine, why not offer to fight Wardley, a true test of his ability, sadly I would imagine any of today crop of HWs would take the fight with the amount of money involved, as the man said, send in the clowns and you have a circus.
    nice to hear from you Special K.
    chat soon buddy.
    Mike.
     
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  13. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was indeed but was born and reared in Monaghan-he also boxed in the Commonwealth, nevertheless he is Irish.
     
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  14. Special K

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    You’ve hit the nail squarely on the head there Mike. It’s the money. There’s no legacy enhancement for AJ from this.
    I believe he was going to fight the guy Jake Paul is now using for sparring before Tank Davies did what he did and put an end to it. I think the guy is ranked around 100 at the moment. AJ is probably making 50 times more money than what he would have made fighting the sparring partner by fighting Jake Paul.

    Take care mate. You’re one of the good guys.
     
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    Soon to be Wardley when he flattens his next opponent and then flattens Usyk. :yaay