Who is the bigger coward?

I think it was quite obvious that Canelo really didn't want the fight. Oscar advised him against other fights in the past and he forced them through anyway. He just doesn't think he has a chance against GGG.

CEJ did want the fight IMO. His dad just overplayed their hand and its cost them. He tried to force Hearn to do everything on their terms and nearly got his son a great deal. He still blew it though and deserves plenty of criticism for pushing too hard on the negotiations.

I also think the Brook fight is a joke and that GGG can't moan about opponents from hereon out having decided to fight a welterweight when lots of other options were open to him.

Finally, it's good to Herol Gee is continuing to pick up Shockmaster's slack as the site's most obsessive clown. Well done mate, your ability to shoehorn a retired fighter into nearly any thread really is something to behold.

 

Why on earth do you think Golovkins team don't know how to negotiate? Give me an example because nobody, not even Oscar has said "Team Golovkin are really difficult to work with" or similar words.

Hearn said "Golovkins side is all agreed, waiting on Jr's side", that don't sound like Team Golovkin was the problem.

Tell me one deadline that have put on anybody? Hearn gave Jr a deadline because of venues, PPV dates and it was dragging on and on so Hearn forced them to make a decision either way.

That wasn't Team Golovkin.

Canelo wasn't given a deadline, after all his brave words Canelo pulled out of a mandatory defence, dropped his belt before it went to purse bids, Golovkin didn't force purse bids the WBC did, that's how it works.

So again you are just seeing things you want to see, making a case for something that just don't exist, it's what you want to believe.

 

Lol these GG fanboys have no shame

 

an example of such a person drawing that parallel being below -

please don't anyone else follow such folly in comparing an actual fighter like joe cowardzaghe to the word coward. They are completely different words in my book and should be in yours.

 

Canelo is more of coward but Eubank sr is more of a *****, leading Golovkin on like that.

 

ODLH and CEJ Sr. are guilty...I'm not sure, but have very strong feeling.

 

My point was that it’s stupid to call either Eubank Jr or Canelo a coward when it’s their promoters who generally decide who they fight. Canelo lets Oscar and GBP do the promoting, Eubank Jr probably just let his Dad do all the promoting. It’s not like Canelo or Eubank Jr had any say in whether or not the GG fight happened. Eubank Jr said he never even got the contract ! It’s idiotic to call fighters cowards because a fight didn’t happen, when it’s their promoters who are negotiating the fight.

If you are going to blame anyone, blame Oscar or Abel Sanchez for not making the fight. Calling Canelo or Eubank a coward when they both have stated that they want to fight GG is just ridiculous. These are professional fighters. A coward doesn’t get into a boxing ring period.

As far as Golovkin, he was clearly putting pressure on the WBC to give Canelo a deadline. He clearly went out of his way to say “Give me my belt” over and over again. When interviewed in the crowd at Canelo vs Khan, he brought up a 15-day deadline for Canelo. GG did all this stuff that made it harder to actually make the fight. It’s one thing to want to fight someone, it’s another to be hugely disrespectful to a fighter, and edging a commission on to strip him of a title if he doesn’t agree to said terms.

It would have been far better for GG to say “hopefully we can make the fight with Canelo next” instead of saying “Give me my belt” over and over again like a spoiled brat and to claim that “Canelo has a 15-day deadline” like he’s the commission himself. It’s unprofessional to do stuff like that, and it’s no wonder Canelo vacated the title. I don’t blame him. Especially when he would have had to vacate the MW title anyway if he won the WBO 154-lb title from Smith, and that’s who he wanted to fight.

As far as Eubank, yeah Hearn gave him a deadline, a ridiculous deadline of 24-48 hours from when GG supposedly sent Eubank the offer. I know you’re going to repeat the fact that they’ve been apparently negotiating for months not just a day, but I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about from the time GG sent him his offer (last Wednesday) to the time when Brook was announced (early Friday), Abel Sanchez made it clear in a recent interview that they didn’t want to wait or even discuss any objections that Eubank may have had.

Hearn offered Brook the fight, due to the deadline imposed on Eubank. Once again GG’s team was putting pressure on Hearn to make a deadline of “1 day” for Eubank to agree to said terms, like GG was putting pressure on the WBC to give Canelo a “deadline” after Khan.

What I’m getting at is GG’s team has shown an inability to actually negotiate with a fighter. It’s literally “their way or the highway” and that’s no way to make big fights. Once an offer is made, it is common courtesy to give the other side a reasonable amount of time to review that offer and make any counter offers if they didn’t agree to the terms. Sanchez and GG’s promotion doesn’t seem willing to do that.

I’m trying to see things as they are, not how I want to see them. I am glad to discuss this further with you if you have any OBJECTIONS to what I am saying. Don’t be like GG !

 

Give it a rest you fool.

 

How is that obvious? Every time Canelo has been asked, he’s stepped up and said LETS FIGHT ! PUT THE GLOVES BACK ON AND LETS FIGHT RIGHT NOW.

Then everyone just assumed that Canelo wanted a catchweight (which he’s never said) he was asked “Canelo would you fight GG at 160?” Canelo said “NO PROBLEMO”. How does that indicate he didn’t want the fight? It suggest the opposite, that he wants the fight ! If Canelo didn’t want the fight, then why is there an agreement in place to fight him in 2017?

Maybe Oscar and GBP didn’t want Canelo to fight GG as his next fight. That’s possible, I don’t know that, but once again that’s not Canelo, that’s his promoter. So calling Canelo a coward for what Oscar may think is ridiculous. I think more than likely Oscar thinks Canelo has a chance to beat GG. I doubt any promoter wouldn’t believe in their fighter, but he may want to wait until 2017 for that fight, for business reasons, for him to build it up, for Canelo to fight Smith. Whatever the reason is, I don’t know how you can assume that Oscar thinks that Canelo has no chance vs GG. I think Oscar knows it’s a tough fight, and he may not think Canelo is ready for that, since it’s at a higher weight, due to respect for Golovkin, maybe he thinks Canelo will only get better, but regardless I think Oscar likes Canelo’s chances vs any boxer in the sport.

Well I think this is far from clear cut. First of all, since the fight is in the U.K. and being on a Sky Sports PPV (not a HBO PPV), Eubank Sr may have felt that “it’s only on PPV since it’s in the U.K.”. Anotherwords, Golvokin isn’t big enough to be on PPVs in the US, so he’s coming over here and fighting his son on their soil. So he probably thought he deserves to have more control over the promotion, since he’s the hometown fighter, not GG.

If it was in Vegas or California, I doubt Eubank would make any demands, but since GG is coming into his home territory, he probably wanted certain hometown stuff. I’m not saying he was smart in making that demand, but you’re trying to make it sound like this was a normal negotiation. This wasn't just a normal fight, it’s Sky Sports PPV, and his son was the U.K. fighter. He probably felt disrespected that GG is coming into his country and trying to control everything. It would be like if someone came into your house and started re-arranging your house without your consent. You’d be like “this is my house, if you’re going to stay here you’ve got to live under my rules”.

In retrospect it looks like Eubank Sr overplayed his hand, and we know Abel Sanchez said he was impossible to work with, but once again you have a guy coming into your country and telling you what to do. Eubank Sr was probably just standing up for his son and trying to fight Sanchez for control of the event. It cost him with the fight being offered to Brook, but once again it indicates that GG’s promotion doesn’t consider what the opponent wants or may object to from his offer.

I think this is more about GG’s fans than GG. They criticized Canelo for fighting a welterweight, and what do they do none other than fight a welterweight in their next fight. Now GG’s fans look like big hypocrites defending this.

 

Canelo and Saunders know Triple G would give them a beating and are straight up duckers. Eubank Jr is too stupid to be afraid, but an idiot for letting his maniac dad ruin the fight and rob him of a lot of money.

 

History tells us that if Canelo wants to make a fight it gets made. Thus when a fight he claimed to be up for with a split hugely in his favor doesn't get made then you know he doesn't really want it.

And spare me the agreement nonsense, I would never have believed he wouldn't have taken the fight after Khan and what he was saying but he then ran back to 154 to take on Liam ****ing Smith.

 

Honestly, I would have picked Golovkin. He said months ago Brook was too small and he wouldn't fight him, then pursued him the whole time, while leading on the Eubanks like they were really in the their crosshairs. Pathetic, or should I say Cowardly!

 

He needs professional help. This level of obsession with a stranger is beyond weird.

 

He didn’t want to be dictated to by the WBC told when he was to agree. I don’t buy that Canelo was being greedy wanting a bigger split, I think he realized that Golovkin deserved a good split himself, but just that he didn’t like being given a deadline. It was bad enough that he was being mandated to fight Golovkin as a result of him wanting to fight Cotto in a division he never fully entered. But when they started giving him deadlines while he was still on his vacation celebrating the big win over Khan, that disrespect was the last straw and he vacated the title. The fact that the WBC immediately handed GG the title instead of having to fight for it indicates how in the tank for GG the WBC was.

Canelo never “ran back to 154". He never really left that division. He was fighting 1 lb over because he was fighting non-title fights, then 155 due to Cotto / Khan’s needs. If Cotto would have fought him at 160, or if Canelo would have fought an actual MW then you could say he was running back to 154.

But in all seriousness Canelo never fully became a Middleweight. Prior to fighting Khan there were rumblings that he was trying to make a fight with Smith (but couldn’t really make that fight due to his holding a MW title) so it’s not like Smith was out of nowhere. And further, it’s not like Smith is some bum like you are claiming. This is a legit World Champ, undefeated and hungry. This is a tough fight for Canelo. Making it sound like he cherry picked Smith is absurd. Canelo isn’t just taking on some contender to stay busy, he goes right into another Title Fight. Good for Canelo, show this man some respect and lets get excited for the 154-lb Showdown!

 

\I didn't draw the parallel, someone else did. I ask you not to assume coward is the same word as joe cowardzaghe.

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