Who is the bigger coward?

I could see where you were coming from up until you said Khan's need to fight at 155. Ha.

And who is Smith's best win? He's an utterly paper champion at this point and that's why he's been picked. It's really shameless from GBP and Canelo IMO.

His fans claimed he would negotiate further after dumping the WBC belt but that didn't happen either and he didn't mind agreeing to their demands when jumping the line to get a Cotto did he? These divas get everything their own way and it's beyond aggravating.

 

Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao is the biggest, irrefutable.

 

LOL but Khan did try hard to get Canelo to agree to be as little as humanly possible. He said he wouldn't have fought Canelo at 160.

I’ll admit I don’t really know how good Smith is, but I did watch his last fight and I was impressed by the stoppage. To be sure he is largely untested, with no name opponents but that also makes him an unknown and possibly dangerous. Sometimes not knowing how good a guy really is makes it harder to prepare for him.

Well in fairness it was Oscar to said all that. And technically they did agree to fight, just in 2017 instead of as their next fight like we all wanted.

You’re right, he did agree to their demands to fight Cotto, but that was really Cotto’s demands, so you can’t blame that on Canelo. And wasn’t it Maravilla who called Cotto a diva??

:rofl

Martinez calling Cotto a diva would have had more staying power had he not taken the fight knowing he was injured the whole time, which as we know resulted in Cotto, the “diva” who was really just a Jr MW, winning the MW title and leading to all this chaos in the division.

:deal

 

There is a thread dedicated to you on the lounge.

 

Cuntyellow Alvacatarez.

 

Oh for sure. I blame Martinez for much of this mess. His cash out really ****ed over the whole division. Cotto is a diva and when looked at objectively his career really has flattered to deceive. Canelo has established his own diva reputation at 155 though.

 

Canelo is dodging GGG bigtime !!

 

Well this is where I disagree, but I can understand him being lumped in to being seen that way. I mean after all look who his promoter is : ODLH, and we all know ODLH has been known to have well lets just say diva-tendencies.

But lets be real perception many times is not reality. We’ve heard all about Caneloweight and all that, but I think you see my point that Canelo hasn’t really needed catchweights .. ever.

I mean remember back when Canelo fought Floyd, and Floyd tried to convince everyone that Canelo wanted 152. I mean we all know that was complete BS from Floyd. Floyd was the diva there, needing Canelo to be 152, what a ****y !!

Then Cotto drained Geale, then Cotto needed the 155 catchweight vs Canelo. And truly Khan wouldn’t fight Canelo above 155. Khan tried to get Canelo to agree to 153, below MW, for goodness sake!

I mean even Kell Brook apparantly called Hearn and said get me GG at 155 !!

Never once did Canelo need a freakin catchweight and that’s all everyone’s been saying and it’s total BS. Canelo ain’t no diva. Floyd and Cotto be the divas. Be real about it !

 

I don't think the Khan fight should have been made full stop, let alone at middleweight! If he was only interested in fighting Cotto because it was Cotto then he should have said as much, dumped Cotto's strap and not had the Khan fight above 154. It was his decision to masquerade as a middleweight at 155 and pretend he wanted the Golovkin fight.

 

I agree that Canelo vs Khan should have been at 154 and not for the MW title. But the fact is Canelo had that title and was being forced to defend it, and Khan wanted the fight and was willing to go up, so given that I think 155 was fair to Khan. (since it was for the MW title it should have been above 154)

As far as Canelo fighting Cotto but not for the MW title, first off, Cotto was the champ and he was being forced to defend it by the WBC. Cotto challenged Canelo for the belt, at a 155 catchweight, and Canelo either could accept or refuse that offer. But then, as we all know a week before the fight Cotto refused to pay the sanctioning fees, to everyones surprise, basically handing the title over to Canelo.

We can agree that JR Middleweights probably shouldn’t be defending the MW title. But it’s not like Canelo created this situation. He fought the guy that the public demanded he fight in Cotto. And being the Lineal MW Champ (however that happened) when you’re a Jr Middleweight is a big accomplishment.

So yeah, we’re in agreement that Canelo vs Cotto and Canelo vs Khan probably should have been at 154. The problem was that Cotto beat Martinez then started draining MWs like Geale. Had Martinez’s knees not gotten injured vs JCC Jr, or had Martinez lost the title to a real MW, none of this would have happened. What I’m getting at is that it’s not like Canelo ever drained anyone or needed a catchweight like many posters have accused him of. It was just a coincidence that he fought so many fights at 155, due to the politics of boxing. Remember what Canelo wanted was a rematch with Floyd at 154, and only started fighting non-title fights at 155 as a result of that fight not happening.

 

What you say is all well and good except that you've not explained why he fought Khan at all. Why not go back to 154 and fight one of the champions there?

Why did he feel the need to defend a middleweight strap he had no intention of fighting against a real middleweight for against a chinny welterweight?

 

CEJ is a diva who wants to fight Golovkin.

Canelo is a diva who doesn't want to fight Golovkin.

Neither are cowards but I think CEJ wants the fight more.

 

Well simply because he was the Title Holder and felt an obligation to defend the title. He wanted to fight the Biggest Name out there willing to fight him and Khan stepped up wanting to Fight a Big Name himself. There weren’t any vacant titles available at 154 I don’t think, so why would you fight a non-title fight at 154 when you have a title to fight for at MW?

 

I would like to see CEJ vs Alvarez. I think that'd be a good, competitive match up.

 

Why would he need a vacant title? He brings the cash so could call out anyone at 154 and they'd jump at the chance to fight him. There are plenty of interesting fights that can be made at LMW.

Khan was a shameless bit of matchmaking by GBP and Canelo should have told them to find him a proper opponent.