Who Is The Smartest Fighter Floyd Ever Fought?

You can also argue that Marquez has been fighting above his weight class for a very long time which can explain why he has been dropped, hurt, worked harder, taken time to adjust to weight classes, etc, etc. It's not as simple as, oh, he has been dropped against said opponent yet he is defined as a technician. Many factors come in to play when a boxer moves through the weight classes, and not every boxer moves through the weight classes as easily or successfully as another. Moving through the weight classes puts your body, your chin, your technical ability, your skill, etc, etc to the test.

Unproven, but schools JMM :think:huh Really?

Have you been watching Broner? Or do you just see shoulder roll and assume his defense is as good as Mayweathers? Serious question.

Broners defense in comparison to Mayweather stops at shoulder roll. He gets hit a lot more regularly than a Mayweather at his age, or even a current Mayweather (and his opposition hasn't come close to that of Mayweathers).

:huh Like Bogo said, Broner is more of a boxer-puncher himself. Also, Broner and Mayweather do not have the same style.

JMM doesn't belong in the elite category. Current generation boxers are overhyped. Not like you're overhyping the unproven, would school JMM, Broner though...right?

Clearly must be trolling.

 

The phrase you are looking for, is fish out of water

A barrel is not the natural habitat of a fish.

 

Marquez is the smartest fighter Floyd has faced. Chavez may have had a better gameplan going into the fight, but that doesn't make him a smarter fighter. He made no adjustment to stop eating right hands which ultimately got him stopped. Marquez losing so soundly to Floyd was based on the difference in skill level and physical attributes between the two fighters and had nothing to do with Marquez's ring IQ.

Marquez makes multiple adjustments during fights. The first Marquez/Pac fight showed that. Three knockdowns in the first and he makes adjustments to make it a close fight arguably a win. His ring intelligence can't be disputed.

Behind Marquez I would rank Chicanito next, then De La Hoya, Zab Judah and Cotto.

 

Just a bad style match up for a guy who goes to war and is master of rocket sockem. And I know Broner doesn't have Flogds style but its the principle. JMM is too slow and his spaghetti legs are good against Manny and other low ring IQ fighters but is obsolete against a Floyd or a guy like Broner and even Chris John. It's all good though. There's a difference of degrees when using the term "technician" and it needs to be understood. JMM is great technician for a fighter from a Mexican background but he's no chess master.

 

^^ guy is an idiot. Someone had to say it and I'm always up for the task

 

Zab's about as stupid a top level fighter as there's ever been. Reasonably knowledgeable, fine, but not an intelligent boxer at all. Not even close.

 

For ****'s sake... It's quite evident you have no idea what you see in the ring. But your just a Floyd dickrider anyway...

 

I can get behind that. The only point I really wanted to make was that Chavez's performance and gameplan was kind of underrated. I think he's a bit underrated, anyway. He did a reasonably good job of fending off Morales with one arm and making it pretty competitive, if not really all that close when they fought. You don't pull that off if you're ring IQ is non existent.

 

Say anything negative you want about Zab but he's a very crafty fighter. He found the single best counter to Mayweather's straight right hand (left uppercut), he has good footwork and always puts himself in a good position to fire or counter.

Does he quit/try to find a way out when he thinks he's overmatched? Arguably. Does he tire? Yes. Is he stupid? Hell no. Stupid is getting your ass kicked but doing the same thing that got your ass kicked in the first place. See Amir Kahn for an example.

 

I'm not saying he doesn't know about these things or that he isn't reasonably well-schooled. I'm saying he's stupid inside the ring. He makes stupid mistakes. He often fights in a stupid manner. He doesn't make adjustments when things stop going his way. Zab can have a good gameplan going in, he can execute it well, but if it ever stops working because his opponent has caught on, Zab doesn't show the ability to revamp and figure out the right move from that point on. When faced with problems like that, he rarely manages to solve them.

Knowledgeable, fine. He knows some tricks, but knowing - even knowing a lot - is not quite the same thing as being intelligent, and Zab is not an intelligent fighter. He's really no smarter in the ring than Khan. When Zab starts to get beat down, he stays beat down.

 

Title of the thread should read " who's the most intelligent fighter Floyd's ducked"

 

It can't be a coincidence that virtually no-one in this thread has agreed with you, the majority of which are very good posters who know their boxing. :think

You know Broner doesn't have Floyd's style but it's the principle? Well, in your last post you just said Broner has Floyd's style, which Marquez loses to 10 times out of 10? You don't sound very convinced by your side of the argument. He either has Floyd's style, or you just think he has Floyd's style because he employs the shoulder roll as his defense.

 

Juan Manuel Marquez, superb boxing skills and the best counter puncher in the sport...unfortunately this trait is useless against a boxer who does not come forward, has the best defense in the sport and is much bigger than you in all departments.

But Marquez is the answer by some way - but he was a stylistic dream for Floyd