Who is the WORST challenger for a world title in HISTORY?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Mar 27, 2011.


  1. ploys

    ploys New Member Full Member

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    he...was...a...mando. :patsch

    you make it sound like calzaghe was chasing the fight & just picked his name out of thin air cos he fancied an easy night. which is actually what ottke did do btw. :deal
     
  2. horst

    horst Guest

    :yikes How fights like this got sanctioned I will NEVER know.

    Do the authorities just not give a **** about the integrity of their own rankings?
     
  3. ploys

    ploys New Member Full Member

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    how about;

    don't start threads about fighters you know **** all about apart from what you gleaned off boxrec...cos you're being a "boxrec warrior".

    but hey...if you're proud of that: :thumbsup
     
  4. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thornberry was a more qualified world title contender for when he fought Calzaghe. Against Ottke, he had absolutely nothing going for him. You've obviously been reading a lot about his record, so why ignore the Ottke fight, which was even worse, in order to list a Calzaghe opponent as the worst ever?
     
  5. horst

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    OK, then change the wording to "The Calzaghe fight gave him an opportunity...", "the Calzaghe fight legitimized him...", ffs.

    I understand that every single mention of Joe Calzaghe on this forum gets taken as a mad campaign against him, but in this case you are way off.

    No-one is faking Rick Thornberry's record, and no-one is saying Joe Calzaghe chased him round Australia on a kangaroo,

    what I was saying is that the list of opponents he beat to get a title shot is SPECTACULARLY bad.

    Whether that is Calzaghe's fault, Frank Warren's fault, the WBO's fault, none of that is of any relevance here.

    What is relevant is Rick Thornberry's recent record before he got a title shot... because the thread is about how terrible challengers managed to get a title shot. Therefore, Thornberry IS a valid choice.

    What part of this is causing you difficulty exactly? :huh


    Richard Frazier was a mando for Roy Jones, does that mean he can never be mentioned in any discussion of terrible challengers either then? Why not, when he was a terrible challenger???
     
  6. horst

    horst Guest

    :lol: What age are you, 12?

    You clearly have seen people call each other "boxrec warriors" on here, so automatically think that any use of it is something to use as an insult. :patsch

    Boxrec is a massive and brilliant resource which gives us access to information we could not readily access any other way. If you want to go round being an ill-informed elitist snob criticizing other people for openly using the resource, be my guest.

    But I, like the vast majority of serious posters here, will continue to use it to research obscure fighters whenever we wish. :good
     
  7. horst

    horst Guest

    :huh How exactly is beating these 6 opponents:

    ...more deserving of a title shot than going the distance in a world title fight with an undefeated world champion?


    You guys get a raging hard-on any time Calzaghe is mentioned, but taking Joe C out of the equation for a nanosecond, Rick Thornberry's last 6 opponents before he got his first title shot must be considered one of the worst lead-ups to a title shot in history, true or false? :think
     
  8. ploys

    ploys New Member Full Member

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    yes. it is clear that you have no axe to grind qwith calzaghe:


    yeah. no factual errors there that could be misconstrued as you criticising calzaghe. :patsch
     
  9. ploys

    ploys New Member Full Member

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    yeah.

    criticising boxers you've never seen & making factual errors to boot...like not knowing the context of the fight...

    boxrec warrior. :deal
     
  10. horst

    horst Guest

    This is just the usual semantic bull**** that goes on here. Fine, you change the wording to "the Calzaghe fight", the over-sensitive Calzaghe fans can relax once more:

    Rick Thornberry's last 6 opponents in the lead-up to his title shot make him a disgraceful opponent, one of the worst in history, and I've yet to see anyone name a worse lead-up to a title shot on this thread, even though some equally terrible challengers have been provided (and the two Zarate ones which were even worse).

    I'll ask you the question I asked earlier:

     
  11. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    You have a point, but it's not entirely how it works.
    There's a difference between a guy who's already in the top 50 and beats up a couple of tomato cans for a year, and a guy who's not even near the top 50 in his wildest dreams and beats a couple of slightly better tomato cans for a year.

    Of course Thornberry had no business in there with Joe, it's ridiculous or even scandalous to begin with, but at least he had already fought for and won a couple of minor titles. So he's not close to some others in the list.
     
  12. horst

    horst Guest

    :lol: You are 12.

    So you would never, ever, even mention the resume or opponents of a fighter if you hadn't actually seen all of their fights, and their opponents' fights?


    making up non-sensical lies in order to win petty arguments...

    troll. :deal
     
  13. horst

    horst Guest

    I do indeed. I haven't faked any details from Thornberry's record. I have quoted facts.

    You also have a point.

    That's why I asked for anyone to present their own suggestions.

    And as I've already said, I did not know about those Zarate defences.

    Those blow Thornberry and the rest out of the water, for sure.

    That those fights were sanctioned is truly unbelievable! :nut:nut
     
  14. ploys

    ploys New Member Full Member

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    i didn't see that question. apologies for not answering it.

    but if you are gonna call someone "reprehensible" & start a thread just to draw attention to this ****; then get your facts straight. :deal

    ps. thornberry's record > frazier's record. & at least thornberry was a full-time boxer...or he was when calzaghe met him anyway.
     
  15. ploys

    ploys New Member Full Member

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    i wouldn't start a thread criticising boxers i've never seen.

    that would be what a troll would do. :deal