Who really won the GGG vs Canelo Fight

Please.

The fans were booing because it was judged a draw with no winner.

 

GGG

 

C'mon guys don't encourage Shadow as he's a lonely guy & once he starts his rambling he can't stop...its a wonder the Mods aren't charging him for bandwidth with some of the War & peace novels he puts up ...YAWN

 

The irony of BCS8, who has already shared his scorecard of Canelo GGG 2 in which he scored round 6 for Canelo :

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/thoughts-on-canelo-ggg-ii.615355/page-8

now liking Quina74's post in which he is arguing with me that GGG won round 6.

Round 6 was so clear of a Canelo round to BCS8, that it was only one of 2 rounds in the entire match that he gave to Canelo outright that he didn't even consider close enough to be a swing round lol.

So why then are you liking Quina74's post? You have shown that you disagree with him and his argument that GGG won round 6. Shouldn't you be agreeing with me since we both agree that Canelo won round 6?

 

I did score #6 for Canelo.

However I think he puts up a good argument.

But more to the point he's right when he says things like this:

"You have also claimed several scoring punches which do not land or barely connect. Some of these barely connect punches are countered by Golovkins barely connected punches which would not be scored, as I've mentioned previously, and likewise I've judged both of the impacts equally. You also seemed to be swayed when Canelo hits gloves and clearly expels air as if to heighten any impact. It's also very hard to convey to you what actually constitutes a clean punch, because inside glove (aka slapping) and jabs hitting gloves and chest aren't the best of scoring punches."

I also feel that you often do this and that this skews your perception of how a fight goes.

 

I anticipated this counter argument, which is why I posted specific screencaps.

In what world would this punch : https://imgur.com/a/RnCbAaK be described as "barely connecting"? It's smacking GGG clear in the mouth hard, you can see the impact in this screenshot.

Quina74 claimed this jab : https://imgur.com/a/y5eRm4N "didn't land" lol. Look at it, the glove is smacking him right in the middle of his face. It's impossible to deny that after looking at this screenshot. When looking at the screenshots, it's clear that his claims that these punches didn't or "barely" landed are flat out wrong. I know how much you like to argue with me, but be real. The screenshots don't lie, these punches definitively landed.

 

I know very well how you argue and I've seen before how you claim non-scoring blows were full on shots. Feel free to argue those particular punches with him, I'm not interested.

 

You claimed "he's right" in his statement that I "have also claimed several scoring punches which do not land or barely connect."

I have demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt with screenshots showing the shots that he claimed did not land or barely connected did in fact clearly land flush. What this does is that it proves that his claim about the punches that he denied Canelo landed were factually wrong and that you were wrong to agree with him. You injected yourself into this discussion, not via some vague memory from years ago where we may have disagreed over certain punches or rounds, but specifically about what punches are being discussed now as it relates to the 6th round, a round that you happen to agree with me, not him, as to who won it.

I've seen this game of whether or not punches landed before so I wasn't going to go down that road again as I came prepared this time with screenshots, so he couldn't weasel his way out of it or try to lie about what I'm saying in correcting his claim that punches didn't land when they in fact did. So you claiming now that I'm not being objective about punches landed as it relates to Canelo then running away isn't going to work this time. There's no point in fighting the photo evidence as they leave no doubt as to who is seeing it clearly and who isn't.

For you or him to still claim that these punches didn't land is extremely dishonest and one thing you know about me is I'm not going to let anyone lie about me and claim I'm not being objective when I go to great lengths to be objective and to show that I am in no way shape or form misrepresenting anything. The irony of all this is that I am trying to entertain his argument that GGG won the 6th round in the rematch which is an argument that no one else has ever made as far as I know. You, and literally every single scorecard I've ever come across on this forum of Canelo GGG 2 had Canelo winning the 6th round. So for him to make that argument in the first place is a huge stretch, I didn't correct him to make him feel bad about seeing it wrong or to "be right", it's a matter of establishing a correct factual record of the punches landed so we can then have an accurate list of the punches landed in this round that everyone can agree on. Because we all agree that Compubox stats can't be relied on, that's why we go through each round and do the timestamps of punches landed.

I warned him that the 6th round is a tougher sell to argue GGG won than the 5th round and he is facing an uphill battle now. I still am willing to hear him out, but if he's going to be dishonest about where he was wrong and try to claim I'm wrong when I'm not, and if you're going to back this dishonesty even as you disagree with him about who won the round, and try to claim that I'm the one being dishonest or have been dishonest in the past when I haven't been, I'm not going to let that slide. For me it's all about respect. I have no problem debating rounds and going through timestamps, and hearing our anyone's arguments no matter how much of a stretch or how unpopular they may be, as I've done myself and with you and others in the past, but when someone starts lying about me or the objective reality of a boxing match, that's where you get called out and exposed.

 

good grief...

 

Sure thing.

And of the press at ringside, 21 scored it for GGG, 1 for Canelo and 3 draws.

It wasn't a particularly close fight, but clearly NOT a draw.


MEDIA SCORES
Mookie Alexander
BloodyElbow.com 117-111 Golovkin
BoxingNews24.com 117-111 Golovkin
CBS Sports 117-111 Golovkin
Sherdog.com 116-112 Golovkin
Bryan Graham
The Guardian 116-112 Golovkin
Dan Rafael
ESPN.com 116-112 Golovkin
Ryan Frederick
WrestlingObserver.com 116-112 Golovkin
Harold Lederman
HBO 116-112 Golovkin
Kevin McRae
BleacherReport.com 116-112 Golovkin
Patrick Stumberg
MMAMania.com 116-112 Golovkin
Shaun Al-Shatti
MMAFighting.com 116-112 Golovkin
Kevin Mitchell
The Guardian 116-113 Golovkin
Kevin Iole
Yahoo.com 115-113 Golovkin
Paul Fontaine
WrestlingObserver.com 115-113 Golovkin
Mike Harris
si.com 115-113 Golovkin
Wil Esco
BadLeftHook.com 115-113 Golovkin
Patrick Wyman
BleacherReport.com 115-113 Golovkin
Phil Murphy
ESPN 115-113 Golovkin
Rob Tatum
CombatPress.com 115-113 Golovkin
Seán Sheehan
SevereMMA.com 115-113 Golovkin
MMABrasil.com.br 115-113 Golovkin
Chris Mannix
Yahoo! Sports 114-114 DRAW
Lance Pugmire
L.A. Times 114-114 DRAW
Associated Press 114-114 DRAW
Connor Ruebusch
BadLeftHook.com 113-115 Álvarez

 

There was an inherent bias going in as GGG was overhyped and expected to win in impressive dominating fashion. When that didn't happen, the press engaged as a hive mind to score the bout so to be proven right in their prediction of GGG winning. They were not used to a fighter fighting as Canelo did, they are used to fighters behaving as rock-em, sock-em robots. Canelo utilized a completely different style than what they are used to seeing in a match of that magnitude in the first match due to their expectation of what they expected to happen, so as a result they were unable to judge the match accordingly when it came to scoring several of the crucial swing rounds. However nearly all of the press had the match scored "close" with very few having GGG winning by more than a round or 2, so for you to call it not a particularly close fight shows that you have no clue what you saw or how to score boxing matches.

 

< Shadow at work

 

There mere fact that you believe something like this ridiculous theory firmly puts you in the QAnon category.

 

LOL wait a minute, what about the tons of people on this board who for years alleged that there was some blatant judging conspiracy orchastrated by De La Hoya to pay off judges each and every time Canelo fights? How about the people who continue claim that the Kovalev fight was fixed? QAnon much?

 

What about them? What do they have to do with your personal crazy conspiracy theory? They have NOTHING to do with how you create your own crazy narrative to suit your agenda. No poster here made you come up with that ridiculous reason all ringside scored for 3G. Nice attempt to 'whatabout' your way out.