Norris is the rabbit you pull blinking out of your top hat, we all know about him! One example ,like one swallow does not------
Its an absolutely ridiculous premise that he will not answer , he will obfuscate and spin ,but not directly address your question.
I directly answered the question! “But let me acknowledge and answer the actual point you make...that impossibly enhanced fighters from the future are “dropped into the 1950s” primed and ready to go.. I imagine they still have to adapt to getting hit a lot more than they were used to. With smaller gloves. And whilst they will have strength to brain one of those smaller guys with less blows they won’t have the larger target of a bigger opponent to aim at. If they can control the pace and walk down and maul in the way they are used to, yes they can have success. But those extra rounds and smaller gloves will still take some getting used to. They really will”.
That guy is fabulous. If Orlin Norris didn’t exist I would have to make him up. He is perfect for these kinds of debates. I love that dude.
The same nonsense as always Like here https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/187-holyfield-against-this-heavyweights.618961/#post-19528668 Or here https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/max-schmeling-vs-these-heavyweights.619198/ Of course, 190CWs would beat tons of fighters two weightclasses above them, in nowadays HW league we´re talking about three weight classes. They have to *where´s the church smiley?* The answer is: Holyfield bulked up for a reason, most of the fighters mentioned would be in world of trouble and better try making healthy money at CW or LHW.
Can someone remind me what Norris did at heavyweight besides a close decision win over an overthehill and disinterested Tony Tucker? If that's your definition of making an impact in the division, sure...
Which extra rounds? Aside from title fights what has changed? Why would they be getting hit a lot more ? Were the 50's fighters that more accurate? You are baking a cake without flour!
I think everyone is saying depending on when a fighter is born will more then likely determine weight, style, etc. if AJ was born in 1935 he wouldn’t have weighed 255. If Holyfield fought earlier he would have stayed at 188-200 range (probably wouldn’t have grown that extra two inches either wink wink). If Marciano was born today he may weigh 230 in the ring. Would any of them have been as successful? Out of the three I’d say holyfield is interchangeable without a doubt . I don’t think AJ is more then a journeyman at 215. Rocky may have stayed in the cruiser division today and moved up for one or two fights maybe like Hayes career. Point is to many people make a big deal of weight when most great LHW cruiser fighters do fine when they move up. They may not be undisputed champ but they compete nk
A lot has changed. Firstly the specialised training and diet that can make giant fighters more functional and also make guys like Orlin Norris achieve what he did with his body. This is a huge factor. It’s making a different kind of fighter that could not exist before. Secondly the big gloves offer more of a shield, less of a target and therefore the smaller fighter has to work so much harder to achieve enough accuracy. And he’s creating more openings for his opponent trying to acheieve enough accuracy to stay in the fight. Thirdly a more cushioned Ring apron which can hinder movement. Fourth, the pattern and tempo within the round in some championship heavyweight fights where explosive bursts, which depend on being able to make the greatest impact in a shorter space of time, rather than a more steady output, can also favour a bigger man.
Norris is an example of what can be done with a body his size during modern times. Norris was world class. That is enough of an example. Why do you want to write this wonderful example off so bad?
Holmes - about the same Fury - 235-245 Lewis - 220-230 Bowe - 215-225 Wilder - about the same Ruiz - 190-200 in shape Ali - about the same Foreman - about the same For "about the same" read a couple of pounds lighter, but barely worth mentioning.
