Who was more protected ? AJ or Wilder ?

Dude. They were two of my favorite fighters at the time. I've talked about this fight forever.

No heavyweight champion in history has scored two knockdowns (and not been down himself) and lost his title to a challenger. EVER.

If I recall, Wilder threw more punches during the fight and Fury landed 10 more.

But you guys who hate Wilder think it was the most outrageous verdict you ever saw.

A draw was more than fair. And it was another successful defense for Wilder (his eighth). He'd make two more after that.

Your outrage makes about as much sense as this conversation.

Scrawny, toothpick-legs Wilder (I think he's on record as saying he was down to 208 when the bell rang for that first fight) ...

Giving up 40+ pounds to Fury and giving up weight to everyone else he fought for 12 straight years ...

Was somehow advantageous to Wilder.

 

Answer some of mine. How is throwing a fighter in with boxers who outweigh him for every fight for 12 years straight "protecting" the fighter?

You can't name a single other fighter that it even happened to, ever, anywhere.

Because that's NOT how you protect a fighter.

Were they protecting Okolie when they moved him up from Cruiserweight? Were they protecting Usyk when they moved him up to heavyweight?

Beterbiev fought in the same division as Wilder as an amateur. Would they be protecting Beterbiev if they threw him in with Zhang next time out?

How about Badou Jack? He's physically bigger and more filled out than Wilder.

Should Badou Jack's team protect Badou and throw him in with Zhang next, too?

You guys are too much.

 

So what he was out cold on the way down? He got up in time, that's all that matters. Larry Holmes was out cold after Shavers hit him and woke up when his head touched the canvas, but got up as well and stopped Earnie. Fury won the rest of the round which of course doesn't mean he won the round. Tyson hit Wilder with the left hook that wobbled him and made him revert.

 

Nobody forced Wilder to fight at that weight it was his choice, even if he added 30 lbs of muscle it won't make him a better boxer look what happened in the third Fury fight he bulked up, Fury had a terrible camp and still knocked him out cold

You still haven't given one prime world level fighter who Wilder actually beat as in got a win over and no a very controversial draw against Fury doesn't count

 

Right. It was his choice NOT TO BE PROTECTED like all the other guys in his weight class who stuck around Cruiser or even light heavy.

And that's the topic of the thread. Who is more protected?

And it sure as hell isn't the guy who didn't win gold at the Olympics and then moved up to a heavier division and fought heavier guys in every fight for 12 straight years ...

And still managed to become heavyweight champ and make 10 successful defenses ...

And cause a number of "name" guys mentioned in this thread to take PEDS because they were so afraid they were going to lose to that scrawny, tooth-pick legged cruiser.

In many ways, Wilder was one of the "least protected" heavyweight champions ever. Because none of the other ones were outweighed in so many fights, by so many guys, over so many consecutive years.

Again, Wilder only lost fights to guys (Fury, Parker and Zhang) who outweighed him by 40 to nearly 80 pounds.

Joshua certainly wasn't at those kinds of disadvantages. In fact, his team made sure he had the advantages in nearly all his fights (and he still lost some of those to smaller guys).

Gotta go.

 

Just name one fighter who Wilder beat who was world level and in their primes

 

Everyone Wilder fought in a heavyweight title fight was world ranked by the WBC. All of them. Not some. All of them were ranked by the WBC. I'm not going to spend hours debating who should and shouldn't have been ranked and who agrees and disagrees with those rankings because it's been done to death and it's not the topic of the thread.

The guy with the worst record Wilder fought in a title fight was Chris Arreola was 36-4-1 (not exactly a Bum of the Month bad record) ... who was ranked by the WBC. Had a 20 pound weight advantage over Wilder. Wilder broke his hand AND tore his bicep in that fight (one of those injuries usually causes a fight to be stopped, let alone two). And Wilder still stopped Arreola.

If Joshua broke a hand and tore a bicep in a fight, it would be over immediately. Feeling panicked is usually his excuse. If Joshua actually was injured in a fight, forget it.



Gotta go. I have things to do.

 

No one cares that Deontay Wilder is the smaller man.

The reason is because he wasn't fighting at the top level.

Had he beaten AJ, Fury, Usyk, Parker or even Whyte it would be noteworthy.

But as it was, who did he beat?

Luis Ortiz in a fight that everyone dismisses due to age (same as we do with Wilder losing to Parker and Zhang).

So who does that leave?

If we wanna call Wilder a CW sized boxer does his actual win list surpass that of others like Usyk, Adamek, Haye, Holyfield?

 

It is the topic of the thread - beating Molina and Duhaupas count as title defences but isn't fooling anyone they were low level opposition

You would have an argument if Wilder actually faced real tests but was heavily protected and carefully managed

I'm not talking about rankings as we know they can be manipulated all I've asked is for you to name one world level fighter out of all the defences Wilder had it can't be that difficult unless he never actually faced one

 

Joshua literally defended his title against Molina AFTER Wilder did, for god's sake.

I gotta go.

 

Stop avoiding the question who did he beat that was world level

 

I answered. Can't you read? Everyone he fought in a WBC title fight was ranked by the WBC. Everyone. The ranked fighter he faced in a title fight with the WORST won-loss record was Arreola with 36 wins and 4 losses. Most had one loss. Or none. And were world ranked by the WBC.

Who was the best guy Joshua defeated?
* A 40-year-old who hadn't won a fight in two years who Joshua outweighed by 10 pounds?
* Or was it the 40 year old Joshua outweighed by 20 pounds who got dropped by David Price the fight before? (The guy who took PEDs because he was afraid he'd lose to Wilder.)
* Or was it the guy Joshua beat last year who had no boxing wins at all?

Seriously. I'm done with this naming names nonsense.

The scrawny guy who gave up weight to everyone he fought for 12 years ....

And still managed to have a more successful title run than Joshua ...

Wasn't "more protected" than Joshua,.

Joshua has had more advantages in his pro career than really any fighter in the entire sport during the same time period.

Not even close.

 

Indeed. Even the idea of Wilder being this brave warrior for fighting in the HW is ridiculous. He would have been exposed even by B tiers in the CW, especially in the stacked era in which Usyk competed.

It’s clear that Wilder and his handlers always wanted to compete in the HW division because of the money and the lower skill level that usually comes with big, heavy guys. HW is the only division where you can be relatively successful with nothing but a right hand against slow, plodding targets.

They milked it for as long as they could but there are only so many Owen Becks and Nicolai Firthas in the world to knock out before you have to face meaningful competition (and the music that comes with it).

 

You use rankings and weight to deflect from the truth and that truth is very simple Wilder didn't beat one genuine world level boxer in their primes

I'm not discussing AJ we are focusing on Wilder's career which is smoke and mirrors

He never faced a prime world level fighter this is a fact