Who would have beat Ezzard Charles at LHW?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Here's the thing Sweet Pea. I consider Charles a rhtyme based boxer, possibly incorrectly. I think if you break his rythym you can outpoint him if you are quick and brave.

    I think that Jones is the type of guy who can break another fighters rythym without sacrificing his own (fighting in spurts, coming in and out, hitting without being hit even against the Cobra).

    What do you think?


    EDIT: I rate Charles above Jones and think he would beat more great fighters than Jones, who would beat a lot of great fighters.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This is about as I see it.

    I get quite into these fantasy fights - Louis/Tyson, Burley/Robinson, Liston/Hollyfield, I bet Charles-Jones would be as good as any of them, never really thought about it before.
     
  3. janitor

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    Charles was just a complete box of tricks. He could do everything in boxing and do it well. Whether is was a run or trade type fight he could adapt.

    My guess is that Langford could wear him down with a body attack and finish him with a Walcott style sneak punch. I am just not sure that he could do it consistently. If he fights Charles three times he is going to drop one.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think it's one of these fights where I would pick Charles for the run up and then buckle and switch to Langford during the ring walk :lol:
     
  5. janitor

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    That is my considerd position.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Perhaps the LHW versions of Patterson, Dempsey (supposedly weighed 175 but used weights to fight for the HW title), Marciano, Schmelling, Mike Moorer.

    Not all would win but all would stand a good chance
     
  7. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    oh god. Dempsey weighed 180 lb for Willard and put weights after that. To think that Dempsey could easily make light-heavy limit is ridicoulus, he couldn't have.
     
  8. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Charles is my #1 LHW but I think a few have a fair chance of defeating him head to head, though it wouldn't be easy of course.

    I'd say maybe Jones Jr, Tunney and Spinks (perhaps Holyfield). Foster has that outside punchers chance. :good
     
  9. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

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    I'm thinking Spinks, Foster, and possibly Tunney. Greb, Jones Jr, and very slim chance, Galindez and Conteh.
     
  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Tunney I think.

    Jones has a chance against any man between mw and lhw
     
  11. Flea Man

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    I think Jones could do him. In and out without Ezzard being able to time his bombs.

    Jones is the H2H monster you pull out when you're looking for someone to beat a H2H monster :deal
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I hear a lot about Charles being a light heavyweight. Charles only ever featured in the light heavyweight rankings for two years 1946-1947, before his 3 year absence during the war charles was always less than 169lb. so much like floyd patterson ezzard was a LH for only a very short time.

    Even by 1947 charles was fighting more heavyweights than Light heavtweights. of the 12 times he fought in 1947 only 4 of the opponents Ezzard faced scaled within the light heavyweight limit when he fought them - the rest all being heavyweights.

    charles peaked in 1948 as a heavyweight. ezzard may have beat great LH's bivins, marshal,maxim and moore but as a lightheavyweight IN 1947 charles was also edged by HW elmer ray and almost knocked out by LH fitzie fitzpatrick. I would take the 1948 charles over any 175pounder but of course ezzard was a HW by then.
     
  13. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Billy Conn from the little ive seen is as well rounded as Ezzard Charles(from the little ive seen). They both look good at everything.

    The best(and a great) available comparison is to watch Louis v Conn I and Louis v Charles, as they both fought against him with very similar styles.(It should be noted that Conn fought a better, sharper version of Louis, whislt being near the end of his careeer himself). Both fought on the backfoot with the jab until Louis could reach mid-range, then they'd move into close range and **** him up on the inside for short periods before quickly getting on the move again.

    Though i'm not sure how they'd approach each other. Charles has the athletic edge, in speed and power. Conn has the edge in accuracy and workrate and a sligh edge in footwork and positioning. If Charles purely boxed, his faster, better and longer jab could beat Conn to the punch, if Conn was also playing a chess match. But Conn could also maul very well and put the pressure on, and Charles was known to turn wreckless at times...and this is where i think Conn has the edge with his positioning and accurate counter-comvinations. The power of Charles is somewhat nullified as an advantage by Conn's solid chin.

    I think Conn gets busted up, but wins it on workrate.
     
  14. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Of the fighters Ive seen.
    Tunney
    Conn
    Jones jr.
    Could all win on any given night.
     
  15. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Langford and Roy Jones Jr.......and maybe Conn;