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  1. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree but I think Martin was weaker
     
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    Niels Probst Member banned Full Member

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    That's called fredom of speech, Sir, get used to it. :) Rocky was great - especially against small, old, shot midgets and third raters. Rocky today would not be a ranked cruiserweight, he really was that bad.
     
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    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If we held a round-robin tournament, where every HW champion throughout history met every other HW champ - then the weakest champ would obviously be the one, emerging from such a tournament with the fewest wins.

    So who do you guys think, that would be?
     
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    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tough one, my pick would still be Charles Martin. I think Bruce Seldon, Bermane Stiverne, Leon Spinks, John Ruiz would all do pretty poor. Some the older champions who were smaller may naturally struggle but I think guys like Marciano and Louis would easily be able to beat some of the more modern champions.
     
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    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You think 6'5", 80" reach, 250 lbs Martin... would lose to guys like Corbett, Fitz, Hart, Burns?
     
  6. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Considering 6’6 Carnera was getting bowled over by Louis and Sharkey I can see some of those guys beating Martin.

    It’s tough to say as those guys fought a long time ago and given modern training and nutrition it may be very tough to beat many of the current crop, including a guy like Martin who is big and packs a decent punch. I think most champions from the Louis era onwards though would take Martin apart.
     
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    Uh, I would think if Bent, then Morrison...
     
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    Baer. Baer bowled over Carnera.

    No shame there, though. Louis and Baer were beasts. I will die saying that Baer could have been a first tier ATG, except he was a psychologically damaged man after killing a man in the ring. According to his son, he actually hated fighting, and would wake up screaming at night.
     
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    Anyone say Maskaev yet? Maskaev is a good shout.
     
  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Louis era onwards is very different from the time, where the 4 early champs I mentioned fought!

    It's alright to think, that everything modern sucks, and that today's HWs are garbage - but to suggest, that a man who never lost to an opponent weighing under 240 lbs, would get bowled over by these small sub-200 guys from 120 years ago, simply makes no sense at all, imo!
     
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    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Before he messed up his life Morrison was a very good boxer.
     
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    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I just said the opposite though? Where did I say the modern era was trash? I was just stating some of the more modern champions have not been good, such as Charles Martin.
     
  13. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Right, so will you answer this question:

    Do you, or do you not believe Martin would beat those 4 early HW champs, I'm talking about? If you do, then I don't see how you can have Martin as a prime candidate for "weakest heavyweight champion in history".
     
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    Because as I explained earlier, this thread is not really determined by hypothetical head to heads. It’s determined by how good a fighter was for their respective eras, what they achieved as champion, who they beat to became champion, and overall ability.

    Those 4 you mentioned clearly rank far higher than Martin in all those categories. I don’t know how they would have done against Martin, I would say that the size could have been too much and they would have lost.

    What I can say for certain however is they were all better heavyweight champions than him. I also maintain there hasn’t been a heavyweight champion in history who for their respective era and their overall achievements (winning the belt against a guy with one leg) has been as weak as Charles Martin.
     
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    David Hayes heavyweight reigh was awful
     
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