Who's #1 P4P after May>

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  1. Jetmax

    Jetmax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Definitely not just you. :yep
     
  2. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    pac is p4p #1 not because he is the best welter, which remains to be seen. it is because he shouldnt even be the best welter. in my opinion, floyd vs shane will determine who the best welter is, not who the p4p is. if floyd and pac both win their fights then a fight between them would show how close they are as far as p4p status is concerned. beating the best in your division does not make you p4p #1. floyd would need to beat a williams or the like in order to take pacs p4p status.
     
  3. kingmiller8282

    kingmiller8282 Active Member Full Member

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    Can someone explain to me why pac is #1 in the first place? Moseley beat Margo who was champ right? And pac fighting people at a catch weight wtf is that? That's not even welter, you want to be WW #1 beat a Legit WW @ 147. So since I believe Moseley is the real #1 WW if Floyd beats Shane or vice versa then that's who should be #1. Pac next fights can be against #12,#11 guys and people will say he is #1 lol. Fight at WW if you want to be #1 plan and simple.
     
  4. pejevan

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    PFP ranking is not a ranking based on actual fights but more on perception.

    Because if PFP rankings changes if both candidates/combatants win their next assignments, then the corollary, a fighter who loses, should lose his ranking as well or a fighter who does not fight for a long time should as well.

    What is Cotto doing at number 9, when he was totally outclassed in his last fight?

    PFP is more of a perception rather than actuality.

    However, I can understand if people will put Mayweather as higher in PFP ranking because the logic is if both of them are welterweight and fight, Mayweather wins (probably based on perceived skillset). Mosley fight does not have bearing, but only gives support to that claim especially if Mayweather wins against Mosley similar to the way Pac won against Cotto. Now, if Mayweather wins but struggles like the Castillo fight, then it dose not add anything. It simply means that he just fought a tough opponent.
     
  5. kingmiller8282

    kingmiller8282 Active Member Full Member

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    So let me understand, Mayweather beat Hatton, Oscar, and lets say Mosley, pac beat Hatton, Oscar and Cotto, and this makes him #1 over Floyd if Floyd beats Shane? I don't get it. He beat the same guys Floyd beat so wth, what makes pac more special than Floyd at welter besides beating a damaged cotto from margocheato?? People are bias as hell up here..
     
  6. pejevan

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    PFP is more complex than that. It is more a perception than actual reality.

    Example, when you retire for about two years, do you automatically go to top 10 once you unretire?

    Let's say Calzaghe unretires now, would he be at top 5 PFP?

    The answer to those questions is not clear or in black or white.

    Simply because Mayweather is perceived to be so good that after unretiring, he jumped back immediately to number 3 or 4, then defeating JMM, he then became number2. So is that a little bit biased?

    Personally, I don't think it is not because as I have said earlier, PFP is based on perception.

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  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    because when floyd was geting his first taste of the welter division, manny was just starting to move out of 126 lbs. 2 different paths to where we are today. one has accomplished more sinse then than anyone outside of pacdbest ever thought he could. the other has purposely tried to accomplish as little as possible while still calling himself the best.
    if you cant see the difference than you are a newbie to boxing and not just esb.
     
  8. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    .... in a stadium with over 100,000 people in attendance.
     
  9. dhenzrae

    dhenzrae A Proud Noypi Full Member

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    oh i see, JMM the lightweight. :nut
     
  10. dhenzrae

    dhenzrae A Proud Noypi Full Member

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    i'm not really into avatar bets, but if you're that confident, i'm considering it. you taking it?
     
  11. FORMIDABLE

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    Lol @ all the votes for Mayweather. What a joke.
    Pac is clearly and easily #1 P4P, and has looked so phenomenal in his recent fights it has led some to accuse him of being on steroids, he's been that good.
    Mayweather's only recent fight was a 12 round decision over lightweight JMM, who was outweighed considerably by Mayweather.
    A win over Mosley would be very good and he could possibly claim to be the man at welter. But in the P4P stakes, there is only one way Mayweather is getting back to #1 (assuming Manny keeps winning). He needs man up and beat Manny.
    You can't talk your way to P4P #1, you gotta do it in the ring.
     
  12. kingmiller8282

    kingmiller8282 Active Member Full Member

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    Far from a newbie brown, and far from a newbie on esb, this is my 3rd account in 3 years, losing passwords etc. Doesn't matter what class he was coming from, mayweather beat an undefeated Hatton, fought Oscar at his NATURAL. weight, package beats a drained dlh and a Hatton who was getting his butt kicked LC, so you sound more of the newbie and a pac stan. Oh and a broken down cotto LOL.
     
  13. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    "Doesn't matter what class he was comming from"
    that alone tells me all you know about boxing. 3 years and you still havent got past the significance of weight in boxing. i wouldnt brag if i were you.
     
  14. Brutalwayz

    Brutalwayz Active Member Full Member

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    one pound makes a huge difference actually, I box and when i was 161 boxing at MW(in the amatuers where the limit is 165) they wouldn't even give me as many fights because they said i was at a disadvantage but at 165 my legs were as good as when I came in light.
     
  15. Brutalwayz

    Brutalwayz Active Member Full Member

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    I'm glad i'm not the only one that feels that way, and when did they start giving belts out at catchweights?