Chavez was never unbeatable. Had there been a different ref in the ring, Meldrick Taylor would have got the win over him. Pernell Whitaker smoked him. Chavez was an incredible fighter, but he was a long way from being unbeatable, especially when set against a guy with a bad style for him, as Taylor and Whitaker were. Jones did indeed look pretty much unbeatable in his 90s prime, but resume is the most important thing and he falls well short of matching guys like Ortiz in that regard.
Depends if you rate dominance as very insignificant. Jones/Chavez were incredibly dominant. Holman/Rodriguez/Ortiz were not
If Chavez had fought the standard of competition that Rodriguez did, would he have been as dominant? No. If Rodriguez had fought the standard of competition that Chavez did, would he have been as dominant as Chavez was? Yes. Dominance is not as important as resume. The Klitschkos are extremely dominant now, beating the Arreolas and the Johnsons and the Sosnowskis and the Thompsons. Does that make them in the same league as Ali? Didn't think so.
There was a massive physical difference between 160 and 175 and 200 plus as opposed to 130-140. I wouldnt say he dominated anything above 135 either.
PFP Chavez would have done very well even against Luis Rodriguez opponents. Dont even start comparing the Klitchkos to Chavez either , Klitchkos havent fought near the same competition Chavez did. Chavez dominated some very good opponents, and if it wasnt for Chavez dominating his divisions these guys would have made a bigger name for themselves.
I trip out how so many forget that he dominated 140 longer than any division,and in my opinion hes easily the greatest JW, although i think his prime and peak weight was LW(just didnt stay to long). wHAT HURT jONES WAS HIM GETTING KOD LATER IN HIS CARRER, KIND OF MAKES YOU THINK IF HE WOULD HAVE FOUGHT SOME GREATS INWOULD THEY HAVE FOUND THAT CHIN:huh jONES STOCK HAS LOWERED. FANS WATCHING HIM GET KOD ENDED UP STAYING IN MANY PEOPLES MIND. if jONES WOULD HAVE RETIRED AFTER THE RUIZ WIN HED BE ON MOST PEOPLES TOP 5 AND EVEN WOULD HAVE HAD PEOPLE CLAIMING THE NO 1 SPOT.
Jones never looked like Chavez did against Taylor Randall and Whitaker (although a welterweight title below 147). Yes Chavez was a long reigning champ but not as dominant or greater skilled at his best than Jones was at his in my opinion. I dont think were talking about who has a better resume, only who is greater skilled??
Just as I suspected.... an old timer dick sucker. Luis Rodriguez greater then Chavez and Jones? GTFOH!
Chavez fought and beat a more diverse and elite opponent than Jones. I would rank him higher based on that, but skill for skill I think Jones was more dominant and tough to beat.
Just as I suspected... an absolute ****ing ******. Where did I say that Rodriguez was greater than Chavez and Jones? Nowhere? Didn't think so ****wit. What I am saying is that it is perfectly valid to have guys like Rodriguez, Williams and Ortiz in a top 30 and Jones and Chavez in the 30-45 bracket, and that is true. You might not agree, I might not agree, but it is a valid p-o-v. Some people prize resume above all, and to those guys then the three I've mentioned would rank higher than Jones and Chavez. That does not make them "tards" as the guy I was responding to suggested, the opinion that Chavez and Jones maybe don't quite make the top 30 cut is not all that outlandish if you base your rankings on resume. Hopefully you understand now but I doubt it based on your previous attempt at reading comprehension.
The Klitschkos to Ali was an analogy dumbass, not a comparison, I wasn't comparing Chavez to the Klits at all, it was an analogy to expose some weak logic and reasoning. Chavez would have done well against Rodriguez's opponents, but he would not have been anywhere near as dominant as he was in his own career. As I said, dominance does not mean as much as resume. It means more to cut a swathe through the best fighters available in a strong era than it does to go on a long title reign beating a mixed quality of opponents in a comparatively weak division (again, an analogy, don't start blubbering about Chavez's comp). Resume beats consistency every time in greatness arguments.