Who's greater: Lewis or Holmes?

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  1. Farmboxer

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    It is a no brainer, Lewis would kill Holmes.
     
  2. Mankind

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    dominance?:huh

    Holmes ruled that division with an iron fist while you were breast feeding.

    Lewis truely struggled in many fights and often owned pieces of titles.

    There was no ****ing doubt who the champ was in Holmes's long great reign.
     
  3. Florida boy

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    I rank Holmes at #3 all-time heavyweight BTW.
     
  4. Mankind

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    :roll: I guess Larry took roids.

    BTW thats not the question.
     
  5. Sweet Pea

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    Head to head I'd give the edge to Holmes by a bit. Quicker jab, more active, and more fluid. Otherwise, that is Lennox's game, and I believe Holmes has those advantages.

    Who ranks above them? I'd take them over most in a head to head sense, and both dominated their eras consistently like few others.

    Why was he lucky? Holmes, in terms of consistency holds the edge, but in terms of resume, Lewis holds the edge. That's why it's close.
     
  6. Mankind

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    it was a wild right hand dummy.
    Holmes would be a far superior boxer than anyone Lewis had faced.
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    That's because he was fighting lesser competition, and you were probably still breast-feeding around the same time I was.:good

    Lewis struggled in fights the same way that Holmes did, though Holmes was more consistent, which is where he holds the edge. He didn't lose twice in his prime, but aside from his two AVENGED losses(both by stoppage) Lewis was extremely consistent against the best of the era(which happened to be a better era and list of opponents than the ones Holmes fought).

    They both have advantages, depends on what you prefer, I have no problem with someone slightly favoring Holmes, in fact I might, but it's by no means a landslide.
     
  8. Farmboxer

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    Yeah, a lightheavyweight such a Spinks?
     
  9. Mankind

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    um yea Fartknockter but he was out of his prime by then. Still he continued to fight and many years later almost won the crown again (he actually did but was ripped off).

    When Lennox was battered by Vitali he tuck tailed and ran.
    Sissy didnt have it in him anymore
     
  10. Mankind

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    indeed I was:yep from multiple various milk sources.:yep

    Dont get me wrong I dont mean to take away from Lewis's greatness because yes he was/is an alltime great heavyweight champion.
     
  11. Ambition_Def

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    Holmes both achievements and head to head. I don't have Lewis all that high because of his inconsistency and his inability to survive knockdowns. Holmes was ready to go to war even if things weren't going his way. Just look at the Shavers and Norton fights.

    Remember the later version of Lewis was the cautious one who hid behind a jab and tied up inside. He had no inside game. And Holmes would beat him on the outside with the superior jab. No contest. He'd force Lewis to open up and fight and he'd find him with the jab and right hand. You just cannot overlook the differences.

    I'd pick Holmes by UD.
     
  12. Farmboxer

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    Holmes would be lucky to simply go to the hospital instead of the morgue.
     
  13. PATSYS

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    Lewis level of oppoisiton is one of the best. Holmes' on the other hand is one of the worst among HW greats.
     
  14. marzblkman

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    No way did Lewis fight in a better era of Heavyweights than Holmes..Holmes prime would destroy Lewis size and all heres why. (I'll make the case for Larry even though I'm younger than Lewis so this isn't a nostalgia filled post)

    First of all unlike Lewis, Larry has definitely been hit with some shots by some heavy hitters (Earnie Shavers, Ken Norton, Roy Williams) but we can clearly say that Larry NEVER lost in his prime unlike Lennox Lewis had. Lennox has been knocked out by single shots.

    Lets look at some of Lewis's toughest fights and I'm not going to even count McCall and Rahman. RAY MERCER. Now prior to typing that I completely forgot that Holmes past his prime actually beat Ray where as Lennox did but boy was he in a fight. Mind you, this was a PRIME Ray also.

    Heres my point, if Holmes beats Mercer past his prime, what do you think would have happened during Holmes prime??

    Most importantly, yeah Holmes took right hands but Holmes had better defense than Lewis. Holmes (and he learned this from sparring with Ali) would catch your jab sometimes with his jab hand and counter it with his right. Lewis as I mentioned above was VERY open for right hands even more than Holmes was. This would make him very, very tentative to throwing his jab.

    Holmes had a jab that even rivaled Ali and I think was better because he could throw a variety of them. He had

    • Power/stiff jab
    • range finder jab
    • varied speed jab
    • most importantly an "UP Jab" (that he could throw from waist)
    It was these variety of jabs that allowed him to fight way past his prime and actually be very competivetive.

    Lets not forget to mention Holmes prime was in an era of 15 round figths. If he wasn't going to pound you, he'd beat you through attrition.
     
  15. marzblkman

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    I've heard some ridiculous things but this by far has got to be one of the worst statements I've ever heard.