Who's more skilled, Lomachenko or Usyk?

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The call Loma The Matrix for a reason. Because his skill level and technical wizardry is off the charts and extremely rare

    Old lady glass jaw aside, they call Roy ''Superman'' for a reason. Because his speed and athleticism were off the charts

    Usyk is amazing and he's incredibly gifted and skilled, Loma's skills and technical wizardry are damn near supernatural. Very few can do what he does, let alone as seamlessly and beautifully. It's pure poetry in motion and he is hands down the most skilful fighter in the sport, assuming he hasn't retired and if he has the #1 is Usyk followed by (in no order) Crawford, Inoue, Bam-Rod (a Loma clone), Bivol, Shakur, and there are others like Ioka, Jai, Clenelo, and even Twink is very skilled
     
  2. Malph

    Malph Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Little people tend to be more dexterous, agile, ... than really larger people.

    There is a reason we never see 6ft 8, 280 lb gymnasts.

    Both Fury and Usyk are very skilled. Fury is remarkable agile for such a big man.

    But for pure boxing ability, Loma is off the charts.
     
  3. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I know it's extremely difficult to compare fighters from such different weight classes, but in a hypothetical match, I will pick the smarter fighter to win down the stretch

    If you want to be in awe of movement, boxing highlights etc, then loma is your man, but usyk is a more effective fighter. Usyks style isn't like Floyd's, but he has brilliant I.q and can adjust like mayweather and can take opponents weapons away mid fight
     
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  4. Hi-Tech

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    Got me thinking what would have happen if Bhop faced James Toney back in the day. Might have been another Toney v McCallum
     
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  5. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I'm not sure either guy would throw a punch lol
    I think it could have played out similar. If Toney lays off the cheeseburgers I would favour him
    Hopkins would probably throw 20 punches the entire 12 rounds lol
     
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  6. Hi-Tech

    Hi-Tech Active Member Full Member

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    Lmfao
     
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  7. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loma looks better because he’s smaller but they’re close
     
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  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    The recent fights with Fury only again confirm to me he's simply a more complete fighter than Loma, he can win on the back foot as a counter puncher or switch it up and press and break you down.

    Loma is flashier and better at cutting off the ring, but he's not better all round. Usyk's ring IQ is also simply higher which is why he hasn't lost unlike Loma. Which is all the more impressive considering Usyk is competing with men not just a few lbs heavier but sometimes 20-30lbs heavier.

    Usyk for me is the P4P best fighter of this era, above Loma, Canelo, Crawford and Inoue.
     
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  9. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Shut the **** up. Such BS. Just say you don’t like him which is fair enough but don’t make up crap. Kessler and Froch’s faces kept hitting Ward’s gloves.
     
  10. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I continue to stand by this. Loma's skill set (even with the losses), is otherwordly against other, otherwordly athletes. Usyk is phenomenal. But no one around him has that elite, elite skill set to really show his full range.
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Let's not forget that Loma dived right in at the deep end from the get-go when he turned pro. He was fighting a filthy dirty 11lb heavier reigning world champion Salido in just his 2nd pro fight who fouled the crap out of him all night and 100% should've been DQ'd and even if he wasn't he should've incurred multiple point deductions for his insane low blowing,

    And a 24-0 GRJ in his backyard with home refs and judges in just his 3rd fight which a crazy risk to take and one which Stephen ''Breadman'' Edwards described as the most ballsy move of the decade because had Lomas lost he would've been 1-2 and his career would've been in tatters before it even got off the ground

    I would draw a comparison between Loma fighting the much bigger Salido in his 2nd pro fight to Usyk fighting the much bigger (yes I know 11lbs is not 40lbs but 11lbs is a hell of a lot to give away for a 126 pounder and Salido was better than Chisora and dirty as hell) Chisora in Usyk's 18th fight.

    Salido's style is one of the worst possible styles for a 1 fight pro novice, Chisora is a horrible introduction for your first real fight as a pro up at HW

    But Usyk fought lower level guys for his first 9 fights and gave himself time to adapt to the pro game the right and sensible way, Loma dived right in the deep end off a 60ft board.

    Loma should only have 1 loss and it should only be 2 losses combined in over 420 fights amateur and pro and only 1 in all those combined to someone close to his size and he avenged it twice

    The fact he won over 400 amateur fights and lost just once in all that time should tell you how incredible his skill level is. You don't think he suffered injuries and had bad days at the office during that span? But he still was able to maintain a level of consistency that no other amateur great ever could despite that

    This is his trophy cabinet

    He won every single tournament he entered as an amateur in almost 400 fights sans one where he came second. Just think about that for a second

    One solitary silver medal in an ocean of gold

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    Another absolutely insane stat

    He conceded only 7 points when he won the gold medal at the 2009 World Amateur Championships despite the fact he broke his hand in the tournament. Just 7 freaking points in the whole tournament. Most amateur greats concede that amount in single fights

    'Even a broken hand couldn't stop Lomachenko as he won gold at the 2009 World Championships in Milan while compromised. In that tournament, he beat his five opponents by a 56 point margin, outscoring them 63–7.'

    And again

    'Lomachenko won gold at the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing and avenged his 2007 World Championship defeat to rival and reigning world champion, Selimov, in the first round. He beat his five opponents by an astonishing 45 point margin, outscoring them 58–13, en route to his first gold medal at the senior level. He was subsequently named the outstanding boxer of the tournament and awarded the Val Barker Trophy. His dominant run was described by one historian as "probably the most impressive streak in Olympic boxing ever."

    Additionally, he won gold again that year to also become continental champion at the European Championships in Liverpool, conceding just 4 points against his four opponents

    I don't think there is any amateur in the history of the sport no matter great they were in the amateurs or pros who can boast such insane defensive stats as those and even more impressive Loma isn't a runner or an octopus

    This is supernatural type stuff
     
  12. Unique Way

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    No matter who is more skilled since Usyk is clearly better, superior fighter overall. And far more accomplished at the pro ranks
     
  13. Unique Way

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    Loma clearly lost to Lopez while being very experienced fighter, while Usyk beat Fury twice. Fury, IMO, is better than Lopez. More skilled and far more experienced than Lopez was when he beat Loma. Plus size difference between Fury and Usyk is hell a lot bigger than size difference between Lopez and Loma
     
  14. Unique Way

    Unique Way Active Member Full Member

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    Totally agree
     
  15. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Loma is as skillful as you say but I think Usyk’s mentality is greater in that it’s up there with people like Ali, Mayweather etc. I know you love both guys but being more skilled does not always mean better and I believe Oleksander the Great Usyk is the better man. Do you know Usyk and Ali have the same birthday how canny is that.