Whos the greater fighter SRL or FMJ

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Joeywill, Jan 5, 2023.


Who's greater

Poll closed Jan 12, 2023.
  1. Ray Leonard

    86.4%
  2. Floyd Mayweather Jr

    13.6%
  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Anything that he doesn’t agree with.

    Mr. No Context

    Mr. Contradiction

    He comes on here claiming that people are biased, yet he’s the worst culprit for it.
     
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  2. ThatOne

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    One poster holds Leonard's loss against Camacho against him as if it proves that Camacho could have beat any version of him. Fine. As Jesus said the measure you use on others will be used on you. By that measure Kevin McBride could beat any version of Mike Tyson.
     
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  3. Loudon

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    You need strapping to a bed.

    Floyd’s forced C-W win over a guy who barely beat Austin Trout and Erislandy Lara, was more unique than Leonard’s win over Hearns!?

    Jesus Christ.
     
  4. ThatOne

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    Mayweather fought at a higher level at an advanced age than Leonard. Does that make him the greater fighter?
     
  5. Loudon

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    Floyd deserves huge praise for his professionalism and longevity.

    Ray aged quicker as he wasn’t as dedicated.

    Both are legends of the sport.

    Ray has the better bigger wins, but Floyd has the much deeper resume.

    Both deserve huge credit.

    The main difference for me, is what Ray said about coming back against Norris and Camacho. Which was that he needed that challenge. He liked to stand on the edge of the cliff to frighten himself.

    Whereas as great as Floyd was, he retired by facing Andre Berto and MMA fighter who’d never had a single pro fight.

    So people can mock Floyd for getting beaten up by Terry Norris, whilst marvelling at Floyd’s shiny zero, but Floyd would simply never have put himself in the positions that Ray did. Floyd would never have taken on a guy like Terry Norris at the end of his career. His last few fights were all calculated and safe fights.
     
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  6. Loudon

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    Another absolute gem from you.

    So not only was the Canelo victory better than the one over Hearns, but it was also better than the one over Hagler??

    Ha!

    You are utterly delusional.


    Why don’t you ever learn anything new?

    Why can you never apply context?


    Ray came off of a 3 year lay off to fight Marvin.

    Whereas Floyd enforced an unnecessary catch-weight against a pre-prime Canelo who struggled to beat guys like Trout and Lara.


    Sure, Floyd easily won and won far more convincingly than what Ray did. It was emphatic and a great win.

    However, could the reason for that not have been that Ray was facing the much tougher challenge?
     
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  7. Loudon

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    Mate, he’s a joker.

    He is everything that he accuses others of being.

    He is completely biased, and he can’t apply context.

    He’s a stat man.

    A very poor poster.

    I’ve never seen him have an intelligent debate where he’s objective and allows for circumstances etc.
     
  8. NoNeck

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    The main difference for you, as you’ve stated, is that Leonard challenged himself by getting his ass kicked by Norris and Camacho. Interestingly, Mayweather logged wins over Canelo, Pacquiao, and Cotto while significantly older than Leonard was in the Norris fight for the former two fights and about the same age for the latter.

    Extrapolating further, Roy Jones should surely rate ahead of both for repeatedly challenging himself by being laid to sleep in the middle of the ring.
     
  9. Loudon

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    Yes, Canelo had 40 wins. But against who??

    No, it wasn’t an agreement.

    It was an enforced catch-weight against a fellow belt holder.

    And Canelo has said numerous times that he had to accept it or the fight wouldn’t have happened.

    It’s amazing how you give all of this credit to Floyd for beating Canelo at 36, whilst giving up weight etc, yet on other threads, you didn’t rate Duran’s win over Iran Barkley highly at all.

    No, Floyd didn’t have a higher ceiling.

    He simply wouldn’t have taken the fights that Ray took.

    And the mistake that you’re making, is that you’re ignoring the fact that Ray struggled in fights, simply because he was fighting higher calibre opponents. Again, the word ‘context’ is alien to you.
     
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  10. Loudon

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    You are pathetic.

    You were challenged, yet you had put up the predictable ‘TLDR’ because you couldn’t counter his points.

    SMH.
     
  11. Loudon

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    I don’t know how you’ve got the audacity to call someone biased.

    It’s unbelievable.
     
  12. Loudon

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    Plenty of guys have dominated Floyd’s best opponents.
     
  13. Loudon

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    Oh great, Red Rooster’s being unstrapped from his bed, for his daily 1 hour use of the hospital’s computer.
     
  14. Loudon

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    And we can tell you who beat the better fighters and took the more risks.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    Patently false