Whose fall was greater, AJ or Wilder?

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  1. UmarIFLUmar

    UmarIFLUmar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tony Dosh PPV went from being the biggest name in the sport to a footnote of his generation in the space of 2 years.

    Wilder was a big puncher who still has a reputation of being a big puncher but nobody was ever claiming he was the #1 of his generation, an all time great etc.
     
  2. Jolly Jim Jacobs

    Jolly Jim Jacobs New Member banned Full Member

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    Joshua, clearly, but he was never that good to begin with. He lost to Ruiz who is not very good at all, and Wilder lost to arguably the greatest to ever stick on a pair of gloves.
     
  3. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder he got smashed by a bald gypsie twice licked his blood in the process.
     
  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Many boxing analysts considered Joshua to be the second coming, whereas most considered Wilder to be very dangerous but also very beatable. So based on that alone, Wilder doesn't have nearly as far to fall as Joshua. But it goes much further than that.

    Wilder has so far only lost to Fury, who is the firm favourite to beat Usyk and is the consensus No.1. And while Wilder got battered in fight 2, fights 1 and 3 were wars: Wilder was either a close favourite (1, 2) or a clear underdog (3). Wilder showed tremendous determination and power and is the only man Fury's fought to not exclusively lose to him. Wilder's stock is actually higher than it was before Fury 1. Fury is the tallest, longest and heaviest Ring champion in history, outweighing Wilder by about 40 lbs in every fight.

    Joshua got dropped 4 times and quit in 7 rounds against unknown Andy Ruiz in his U.S. debut, as a 25/1 favourite. He then ran around the ring from an even more obese, untrained version of his very short, underpowered, slow-footed opponent, in a big Saudi ring. The fight after next Joshua had lost his belts again, being clearly beaten by a clear underdog underpowered cruiserweight in his own backyard, then losing again in the rematch, with many feeling (and even Joshua admitting) that he didn't put it all on the line, for fear of getting stopped. No SHW of Joshua's supposed calibre had ever been clearly beaten by an ex-cruiserweight before, let alone twice, let alone as the A-side. Joshua's stock has fallen dramatically.

    Joshua will be returning against nonentity Franklin to set up a summer clash with domestic rival Whyte (whose own career has taken a dive in the last few years), whereas Wilder looks to be fighting next against ex-unified champion and Joshua-conqueror Ruiz.
     
  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well Ruiz has beaten Wilders best win who is Luis Ortiz, and if Ruiz beats Wilder then that also changes things aswell.
     
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