Why AJ has a poor gas tank

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Will AJ gas out against Fury?

Poll closed Mar 25, 2021.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Agreed both fighters bring a tremendous amount to the table.
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well if its worse its not by any significant margin. My original argument is that evidence shows his punch resistance isn't worse at 237. Is it better? Not necessarily and i never claimed that
     
  3. piprules

    piprules Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He is entitled to his opinion, just as you and I are.
     
  4. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    The right hand that Klitschko landed on Joshua ended up too high on The cheek. Compare that with the right hand he landed on Kubrat Pulev bang on The chin. And Kubrat took it like a King despite the fact that he already had taken heavy beating and went down from a left hook etc etc.

    Joshuas chin is alright though.
     
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  5. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    All that verbiage just to say he has too much muscle mass. SMFH. That's why you don't see well muscled triathletes.
     
  6. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Im convinced you and Markus are the same person arguing lol
     
  7. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes a good comparison, but the difference between Oliver Hardy and Ruiz is that Hardy went to work prepared for what he was paid for, and gave his best.
    Ruiz evidently is lined up to “fight” the remains of Arreola, last seen shipping, yet more countless punches against another out of shape scrapper.
     
  8. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Your low level intellect is on display again. I actually said before the first Ruiz fight that Andres Ponce Ruiz Jr was a really good fighter and better than Jarrell Millar who he was replacing. Best you get your facts right son but as we know that’s not your agenda. Go back to your sick activities.
     
  9. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    I know he is
     
  10. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    Yes, but no way you would’ve picked Ruiz. Miller if he can take the incoming again had a good chance with his style. Pressure and Joshua has to get them out of there or he’s in trouble. 270lb kronk Fury is coming for him
     
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  11. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Joshua has very narrow shoulders for his height. You can tell his body is overclocking itself with all the muscle mass it's carrying. He's also still quite stiff and mechanical in his movements, and often looks quite tense even when in control. So a combination of too much muscle mass for his frame coupled with too much nervous energy. His chin I think is fine, but even the best chins rely on the body not going into survival mode when hit, and that I think is still a big issue for Joshua. He takes a shot and even if he's not that hurt his whole body starts tensing up which has knock on effects on everything else and can lead to the problem compounding because opponents can sense he's vulnerable and start pouring it on. Fury's chin isn't that great either, but his response to getting hit is a lot less debilitating because of how naturally relaxed and loose he is.

    There's also a definite difference in build; Joshua is a mostly fast-twitch explosive athlete, Fury is more of a slower-twitch guy built for endurance and a naturally bigger-framed man (who also happens to be quite fast). Generally the more explosive guys are prone to gassing because their bodies expend so much energy in short bursts and take time to recover while the endurance types can expend a lower level but more consistent level of energy that's less likely to leave them vulnerable. If Joshua can control the pace and the rhythm of exchanges he can mitigate that, but the chances of him doing that against Fury are not great. On the plus side, Joshua's explosiveness means he's much more likely to be able to turn things around than Fury, who'll need to rely on the long game of breaking Joshua down mentally and physically. But Joshua has the skills and the punching power to hurt Fury, and I hope his gameplan is geared around trying to punch through those holes that Fury leaves when he sometimes gets a bit reckless and unorthodox.
     
  12. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    No, too much muscle and his fast twitch fibres are just two factors. The reasons for his poor stamina are a combination of genes, training methods, fighting style and character.
     
  13. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Stop it. You're wrong. The more muscle you have the more energy used. Muscles need oxygen. The .
    90% of his stamina issues are due to his big muscles. When you train for a fight you should only use weights in a resistance capacity. Light weight, high reps. He obviously tries to build muscle. What you're saying is equivalent to an 800hp car getting bad gas milage because the front end is maligned and low tire pressure. Yeah it doesn't help, but the main reason is the huge engine sucking up all the fuel.
     
  14. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    If AJ fights at a low pace for 12 rounds he doesn't have serious problems with stamina: look at Parker or Ruiz 2. His explosive fighting style is a big part of the problem. The supercar you mention has far better fuel efficiency at a low, consistent speed. His build is a combination of his fast-twitch muscle building genetics and his steroid-fuelled weightlifting training methods, which put a huge amount of pressure on his body and seriously compromise his stamina. Then there's how he doesn't handle pressure well, which as Serge explained is a vital factor in AJ's stamina issues. This can't be simplistically reduced to one factor.
     
  15. Braindamage

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    So, if AJ fights at a slow pace he can fight a full 12 rounds without getting fatigued. Now take a fighters like Fury or Wilder, they too can go 12 rounds at a low pace without stamina issues, but they can also kick it up, increase their output and still sustain. Fury is never in good shape, yet his stamina is far better than AJ's. What's the difference between them and AJ? Muscle! AJ cannot maintain an aerobic output for long periods of time due to his big muscles. The more muscles, the more oxygen needed to sustain them. Why can't you understand this?