Why are weight differences not as important at Heavy weight?

Tell them Hi back, and while you're at it, ask Holyfield if Bowe's size made any difference in their bouts.
Ask Tyson if Lewis's size made a difference to him also. :yep

Look the proof is in your face with Klitscho and now Fury. Two of the biggest HWs in history.
All they need do is wrap their giant arms around an opponent and lean on them until the ref breaks them. Then grab and lean again and again. That 40-50 lb difference will soon take it's toll.

 

:deal

 

I agree. The proof is in our face, true.

But it can be overcome. And the proof to that is also in your face.

 

most of the fighters from past eras 6.6 and taller /lacked cordination /chin/power/abilty / were just big men.

todays fighters at 6.6 plus still have flaws but are defenatley better athletes / have better coordination and abilty than was historically so/

chin wise with the exception of vitali most are not iron chinned.

this trend IMO will continue heavys are getting taller every generation

 

I agree.

If this trend of steroid use continues, Soon there will be a Fury sized SHW who won't be goofy like Vlad and Fury but coordinated with really great skills, and he will be virtually unbeatable by smaller HWs.

At some point when 7' 300 lb SHWs emerge, there will be a split of SHW & HW divisions. It will have to happen because small HWs will not be able to compete.

 

any man over 200 can crack

 

proportions and greater strains on cardio posed by size.


diminished returns from proportions is a basic biological fact, although not so well known is the almost geometric loss of cardio ability as body mass increases in humans.

that's why the were traditional weight divisions had larger increments between them as you moved further up the divisions - because weight advantages dropped off as weight increased....up to LW its a small increase, then it jumps to 5, 6 7 pounds, then over a stone between LHW and HW. Clearly 12 pounds at LHW isn't a significant advantage or else LHW wouldn't have existed as it has for a century, and at HW the drop off continues.

People who are new to boxing haven't yet picked up on why those weight increments increase as you go up divisions, but they will at some point. How long it takes them depends on how smart they are.

 

I do agree with this to a point. When refs allow big guys to excessively push (ex. Foreman vs. Frazier) or Clinch (Ex. Tyson vs. Mitch Green) the smaller lighter guy is at a clear disadvantage. I'm a huge fan of Foreman's but he pushed Frazier away the whole fight.

This was also the case with Fury, who I do like, but he got away with literally leaning all his weight on Cunningham. It was a dirty trick, but the ref allowed it.

 

Wilder could get away with it because Stiverne is short and slow. Wilder is tall, rangy and fast.

Haye won because Valuev is slow, and a poor boxer, combined with Haye's speed, and skills.

He couldn't do the same against a taller, rangier and heavier opponent in Wlad because he's a naturally gifted big man.

Think about this instead: Valuev only managed to be "champ" just because of his size alone to begin with...

The general rule:
H2H>P4P

 

Jeez, this guy combines condescending with clueless like no one else.

The SHW's of today would tear threw your precious yesteryear contenders like a fox in a henhouse.

 

If only Wilt Chamberlain were a boxer:[url]https://www.facebook.com/BasketballForeverPage/videos/148837345280578/[/url] Just think about his athletesism combined with his weight, height and reach. 250-300 pounds, 7 feet, 92 inch reach...

GOAT-material written all over him!

 

Big men can't move like small men. Basic physics...

A ninja can't compete with a battle ship...

Small 6"1' 1/2, 198 pound Louis would get killed by Joshua. Simple as that.

 

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 7' 2" - 225lb....What an super intelligent athlete!

Shaquille O'Neal - 7" 1" - 325lb...Shaq Fu

The cardio on these guys is Class A, and both definitely had the athleticism to box had they wanted.

 

Ali has already proved you wrong 50 years ago. :yep

 

The thing with Wilt is his athlesism that separated him from KAJ and Shaq. Maybe Shaq could be as good, but i feel that he would get gassed much easier than Wilt, due to his built. And he also didn't have the vertical leap of Wilt.

Wilt would look to be a much better version of Julius Long.