Why can GSP so easily takedown these great wrestlers?

Koscheck is the best wrestler in the world? Because you just named 2 of the best in the world?

 

So there's no chance in GSP being competitive? ok. fine. I give up.


Sorry if this got a little heated. Agree to disagree. It killed some time on a boring saturday. :good :good :good :good :good :good :good

 

Ok, nobodies beating the brazillian national champion in BJJ with 1 year of experience.

And its not outrageous to call the winner of the NCAA's the best in the world, because it is the highest level of folkstyle wrestling there is.

 

Then that person isn't that good, period.

 

:yep I think that he is missing the point on purpose. Nobody can be this blind to the facts. GSP won't even enter a simple open wrestling tournament? But he is really going to try out for the Olympics? C'mon. This guys needs a reality check on hyping a fighter. He still believes that Rashad Evans in great, since the UFC told him so. He won't respond to the fact that Evans was 48-34 in college. Yet, he keeps talking about how "they say" GSP got the better of him in wrestling, at practice.

As I explained before, I have trained with John Smith, 6 time World Champion, possibly the greatest wrestler in the history of America. I have taken him down, and competed right along with him. IT WAS PRACTICE! In a match he would have torn me apart. That is part of being a great practice partner... letting your partner excute moves when he does them correctly. It doesn't matter if you are better than him, and you can squash him... nobody is going to learn anything, get any better, or gain anything from one guy just constantly destroying another in the practice room. You give them the moves, give them the confidence, and they grow from it. You don't smash them, and then tell them that they can't make it in the sport.

 

The whole point of the Rashad thing was to point out GSP could take down a bigger man at will and yet not be taken down by him.

 

I am dealing with the facts, not "there could be's"... or "if he did". Of course they may be some great athlete out there, who never applied himself and didn't go as far as he could have. What the hell? However, having the motivation, and heart to drive yourself and be the best that you can be is part of being great. So... who cares about the guy who might have been better if he had applied himself? He didn't, so he wasn't. Facts my friend... not "what if's".

 

No, GSP outwrestled him in an MMA match, but your point is to disregard everything that GSP did in that fight outwrestling him almost the whole fight. When Kos goes for a takedown GSP stuffs him easily and throws KOS on his back...that means lots wether you like it or not. Kos was in shock after the fight and was in disbelief of what happened.At least Kos isn't in denial.

 

He sure did out grapple KOS in their fight. Which is what makes GSP a much better MMA fighter. Nobody ever said that GSP was an inept wrestler. He is obviously a very good wrestler who is even better at transitiong his wrestling with his striking in an MMA match. That is what makes him so great. You never know what is coming at you. So, a lesser striker agaist him is going to be very vulnerable to GSP's takedowns, due to the fact that they will have to overcompensate for his strikes, and leave themselves open for an easy takedown.

GSP for President. What the hell do you want from me? I love GSP and think he is an amazing fighter. The only person that I can say amazes me even more would be BJ Penn. However, I am not about to pretend that GSP can beat an Undefeated National Wrestling Champion, in a wrestling match, when GSP has never even wrestled a single match in his life.

 

Beebs, this argument sounds like the one you and I had over Bruce Lee where I got stomped and had nothing more to say cause you were just right,

 

One of the great things about grappling martial arts, as opposed to striking martial arts, is that you can spar ("practice") at 100% without TOO much danger to you or your opponent.

Don't demean George St. Pierre by acting as if Rashad Evans were his instructor, teaching GSP how to wrestle. I am sure when they spar they are not going easy on each other.

Yes you took down NCAA champion whoever, but thats because he is almost definitely lightyears ahead of you (no offense, of course, he is great as you say) but I don't think competitive sparring, training for a prize fight, is quite the same.

Also, guys, you need to realize that college wrestling isnt that different at all from Olympic freestyle wrestling. Dropping names like Folkstyle learned from Wikipedia are all well and great, but its practically the same as olympic wrestling except the throws are scored differently.

I imagine most olympic gold medalists would beat most NCAA champs.

 

This thread has gotten too long..To put it simply if GSP trains specifically freestyle wrestling whatever the rules is Hed manhandle Koscheck. Hes just as better athlete, stronger , faster..yes its true

 

What are you talking about?

This has not added to or taken away from either side of the argument. I'm confused.


I'm really getting a feeling that people who would place money on GSP in a wrestling match against Kos have simply not competed in any related sport. To say such thing... i mean... no comment.

Seriously its something like: Mayweather turns MMA fighter, Sherk fakes a takedown and KO's him with a great left hook while Mayweathers hands are down(hypothetical situation). I bet after that Iron and Sweat Pee would bet money on Sherk to win a boxing match against Mayweather.

This is just a different perspective for you guys who argue that GSP > Kos in wrestling based on what you saw in a single MIXED MARTIAL ARTS fight. It's THAT ridiculous.

 

Really smart guy? Matt Hughes said that he had a better ground game and would have the advantage on the ground in his 3rd fight with GSP too :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl ....genious right?

You're right, this is funny! atsch

 

This isn't 1 isolated takedown. This is constant and repetitive evidence of him completely getting the best of the top wrestlers in the WW division and controlling them on the ground, stuffing their takedowns after they already have a hold of a single and him pretty much having a 100% success rate in taking them down :deal

Jesus christ, you guys are ****ing dense.