Honestly would you rather see him fight nor not? Yes you would. And do people think him better now then before? Yes. He got caught. No biggie, Sonnen, Page, RJJ, Lesnar, Vitali, Toney all did this **** and they're just the ones who got caught!!! Open your eyes my god.....baseball, basketball, NFL and even WWE they all do it!!!! Can people PLEASE stop acting like Overeem raped am 8 year old. All you're all doing is taking the moral high ground when you're as guilty as those who take it by denying it's rampant to begin with and that YOU watch the shows and put money in the pockets of these guys. Stop taking the moral high ground ok - just stop.
There's some stupid people and ******ed opinions coming out of the woodwork after this news update. Let's not sugarcoat this, the only reason people are saying all this shite about everyone doing it and who cares is because they selfishly want to see the Overeem/JDS fight because it interests them, thats it. I guarantee you if Overeem had lost against Brock and then tested positive, people wouldn't have this carefree attitude towards roiding. I'm one of those people that aren't too bothered either and do hope the JDS/Overeem fight goes ahead, but people need to stop with this ******ed "everybody does it, its no biggie" mentality. The guy got caught and he has to pay the punishment, case closed. You can't give these guys no punishment and let them run rampant whilst hardworking fighters have to start roiding just to keep it a level playing field. Its a moronic point of view. I'm all for entertainment but Overeem has to take the punishment and although steroids is a part of the sport, it doesn't mean it should be greenlit purely because its a cynical thing and people are skeptical on just who are taking them, so let everyone take them. It's just stupid. There's too many double standards. If Brock had tested positive, he would be getting slated to ****, but because Overeem is the #1 contender and in a highly interesting fight, oh sure it's no biggie.
Don't talk bollocks. I've always had this stance, it's never going to change but you're living with your head in the sand. You watch MMA and you KNOW most athletes do this ****. Your reasoning is "Oh they haven't been caught you can't prove it" but YOU watch it and YOU know the truth. It's called denial and you do it so you can feel morally superior. You'd like to believe it's the 5% who do it and the 95% who don't do but the reality is it's the 95% that do and the 5% that don't.
It's a ******ed stance. ..What? Every athlete is roiding? That's highly cynical. Obviously people are going to try and cheat, it happens in any sport, that doesn't mean it should be a ****ing free for all. God... what are you rambling on about? Morally superior? I'm watching MMA for the same reason most people are, pure entertainment. I'm not one of those people that **** all over any athlete for failing a test, my point is it just shouldn't be a free for all because some guys are cheating. It's this idea that because you can't catch some people and you can never know for sure next to all the cynicism that roids should just be made legal. It's moronic. You're just making up absolute bollocks in your head for the sake of a few people who test positive. 95% do it and 5% don't? Yeah, okay mate. Come back to me when you show me the stats on that. And stop being arrogant and making another thread when there's already 5, as if you're saying anything worth opening a new discussion. Just another braindead **** running around with a "everybody's cheating, unleash the roids" idea. Scurla mate, you're right. You don't half talk some **** sometimes but I'd rather have a logical argument with you then any of these braindead tossers that have taken over the MMA forum. For those that aren't utter plebs, it's been a blast, but I can't be bothered to sift through all the **** posts anymore, too many dumbasses. It's been fun.
Yeah you are right...let's just call it The Ultimate Fighting Chemist and be done with this pretence of the best man wins...:roll:
No. Send him back to Japan where it's anything goes. If he can't compete on an even playing field then he has no business in the UFC.
Ok ta-ta. We'll miss you're well informed and clearly non-delusional stance on habitual drug taking in sports and that only those that ever get caught took roids. Same as any criminal that gets caught is the the only out mugging and stealing. And before you go remember: Wrasslin' is not fake! Don't let them tell you otherwise. Stay strong bro...stay strong...
If combat sports leagues are so serious about steroids the way they claim to be, why the **** don't they develop a zero toleration rule or at least a far more extreme punishment than what we see in the UFC or Boxing? Hate to say it but steroids does more good than harm for fighters. Along with use comes better performance which leads to fame and fortune. Rampage and Roy Jones are still revered as HOF material. Sonnen and Barnett are still competing as if they were never caught. The health risks doesn't scare anyone. Of all the fighters who have been caught how many are on their deathbed or are experiencing major health deterioration? Is steroid use any more dangerous to one's health than the elderly smoking cigarettes? Telling your fighters to stay away from roids is like telling high school students to never have sex. It's been done and it's working like a charm, isn't it? I wouldn't use PEDs myself. All I'm saying is the ship is sinking. You gonna sit and wait for a miracle or are you going to risk getting maimed by sharks and swim to shore?
[/quote]..What? Every athlete is roiding? That's highly cynical. Obviously people are going to try and cheat, it happens in any sport, that doesn't mean it should be a ****ing free for all. God... what are you rambling on about? Morally superior? I'm watching MMA for the same reason most people are, pure entertainment. I'm not one of those people that **** all over any athlete for failing a test, my point is it just shouldn't be a free for all because some guys are cheating. It's this idea that because you can't catch some people and you can never know for sure next to all the cynicism that roids should just be made legal. It's moronic. You're just making up absolute bollocks in your head for the sake of a few people who test positive. 95% do it and 5% don't? Yeah, okay mate. Come back to me when you show me the stats on that. [/quote] I'm not really an MMA guy but I'm with you on this whatever the combat sport. [/quote]Scurla mate, you're right. You don't half talk some **** sometimes but I'd rather have a logical argument with you then any of these braindead tossers that have taken over the MMA forum. For those that aren't utter plebs, it's been a blast, but I can't be bothered to sift through all the **** posts anymore, too many dumbasses. It's been fun.[/quote] Shame cos you make sense and shape an arguement well.
Where do you draw the line? What about pain killer or drugs that makes you go insane for a few hours, therefore fighting like a mad man. Or drugs that deforms your body ie. thicken bones to take more punishment. To make it an even playing field you take two man and let them fight it out with what they are born with. If you allow any drug use then it's no longer a sport but a lab rat test. What drug(s) can produce the badest freak to kill the other freak.
Perhaps the UFC should consider a new division exclusively for drug cheats. At the weigh-in it will be compulsory to fail a PEDs test.
still its cheating. if you train for years and years trying to be the best fighter you can be. making **** loads of sacrifices and a ton of work i think its wrong for a guy to get a head start and use roids. i know if you use them the fighter still has to train hard and that taking steroids dosnt automatically make you a good fighter but still it gives you an advantage. i dont give a **** to the argument "everyone uses them". because that bull****, some do and some dont. and its not fair on those who dont. it dosnt matter in something like the WWE because its not a 'real sport'. the outcome of the matches is predetermined. so who gives a ****. i think the punishments should be alot harder to discourage people from using. dont forget this is a sport where you go in the cage with the intention of ****ing the other guy up. this isnt playing around.
I say pump overeem full of as much steroids and growth hormone as his body can take then put him into the cage with a muzzled gorilla. I'd pay to watch that.