You can talk to my scorecard it's right here tell me what rounds you disagree with. 1. Bivol 2. Bivol 3. Beterbiev 4. Bivol 5. Beterbiev 6. Beterbiev 7. Bivol 8. Bivol 9. Bivol 10. Beterbiev 11. Beterbiev 12. Beterbiev 114-114
do you still think giving biev the third rd was the correct call? or knowing what you know now, was that a bad call? lets get past the starting point in agreement as to what constitutes reality first. then i can address the rest of your card and what it says.
You know what despite all this back and forth and me not really agreeing with the way you've gone about making this thread. I'll do you a solid and watch the 3rd round tomorrow, I don't feel like it right now because I'm tired but I'll reply to you tomorrow with my thoughts deal ?
sure, however you want to do it. i get no benefit from you acknowledging your own mistake, i get no growth from that. i dont even know most of the people i quoted. i just did a quick search on the rbr and posted the first dozen who scored rd 3 for biev. i got no feelings about any of them. none of you have any influence in my life. this thread is just commentary on the lousy scoring by judges and fans, and an exercise in self awareness.
@bandeedo The link you provided has been removed so I cannot view the 3rd round I checked on YT for another video and I can't find the full fight.
Actually pretty good scorecard my only disagreement would be 3 if you swapped 3 and 4 I would be fine with that tbh
Right @bandeedo looking at the round again I thought Beterbiev put some good pressure on in the 1st minute but no real clean punches landed and Bivol didn't throw really any punches either. In the middle portion of the round Bivol started to open up and landed some eye catching punches, Beterbiev was still putting the pressure on but not alot landed although a few right hands I felt did get around the guard of Bivol. I thought it was a competitive round but looking at it again I would probably go in favour of Bivol landing the more eye catching cleaner/accurate shots.
The only different with my 'on the night' card is I gave Bivol round 3 and Beterbiev round 4. I saw the fight as TWO games of 2 halfs:- Rounds 1-3 - Biovl sharp, boxing well, jabbing well, 1/2 reset formula working well, Artur looking quite slow and flat footed mostly, although he started to get busier and wake up somewhat at the end of round 3 Rounds 4-6 - Beterbiev upped his worked rate, and started to boss Dmitry, and although many of Arturs shots were being blocked, I started to see the effects, where Bivol was not having as much success with the 1/2 reset formula. Beterbiev had some decent success to the body Rounds 7-9 - Bivol stabliized things and maybe got a 2nd wind, and seemed to me that Artur was starting to feel the effects of his workrate in 4-6, where his output dropped, he wasn't cutting the ring off as well and making Dmitry look uncomfortable. He had one return flurry in round 7 after Bivol got too greedy in a combination. Round 9 was Bivol's best of the fight, where it started to look like he had the better conditioning and was having his way with things scoring cleanly and not being as passive. Rounds 10-12 - Artur seemed to get a 2nd wind, or geed up by his team and upped his workrate again, with Bivol ceding much ground and not working as hard - maybe his efforts in round 9 took a lot out of him. Round 11 was Artur's best round of the fight, with Bivol looking to survive and not firing back with much at all; I think this was a bad look going into the final round, where Artur carried on, but Bivol managed to come back into it midway through the round, possibly scoring the better shots, but Artur contolled things more, and still had his own success in the 2nd half of the round. One thing I really don't like in these types of debates is some 'faschistic certainty' on things; whilst I am certain on how I saw the fight (feeling like a draw was the best reflection of the fight), I don't have the hubris to think that through my lens is the only way the fight can be interprted, there is wiggle room for people that interpret the criteria in subtly different ways. But within reason - I'd still like Glen Feldman to explain how the hell he gave Beterbiev round 9. I am 100% certain that Bivol won that round!
I think that's the fairest scorecard all comes down how you score 4 which I could see going either way
I don't believe it was the only round like that either, a poor result from what I believe was a good contest. But hey Boxing is so corrupt. Time to start a new