Why didn't Haye fight Cunningham for cruiserweight undisputed?

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The year is 2008. Haye has just beaten Maccarinelli and unified three of the four cruiserweight titles plus the Ring/lineal, having beaten Mormeck previously.

    There's just one left: the IBF belt held by Haye's highest ranked rival Cunningham. If Haye wins, he can become the first undisputed cruiserweight champion of the four belt era. The only undisputed cruiserweight prior to that had been Haye's idol Holyfield.

    Cunningham wants the relatively big money undisputed fight, Haye obfuscates and clearly does not:

    “Nobody knows who he is. Who has he beaten? He has a vacant title. There’s no history behind him. The reason he got the title is because O’Neil Bell gave the title up, and then Cunningham took the belt.”

    Amusing excuses from a guy who in 2010 defended against a washed up Audley Harrison.

    Cunningham's record is 21-1 with 11 KO's. He's beaten G. Jones, Wlodarczyk in Poland (avenging his controversial away loss) and stopped Huck in Germany. He seems to have not been knocked down at this point. He's been 10-12 rounds with challengers/titlists on six occasions, four of those fights on the road.

    Haye's record is 21-1 with 20 KO's but he's been stopped in 5 by 40 year old 32-6 Carl Thompson. He's beaten Mormeck in France, Fragomeni in Britain and Maccarinelli. He was dropped heavily by blown-up SMW non-puncher Mock, cut by Fragomeni and dropped by Mormeck. He's been 10-12 rounds once, against durable journeyman Abdoul.

    Haye's clearly the bigger puncher and would have had home/A-side advantage but the African American seems to have better skills, better stamina, more durability, more reach, more experience at a higher level and in the later rounds, higher level wins and probably more courage. Despite Haye's hype, Cunningham winning would have been regarded as no more than a moderate upset.

    Given this, it's no surprise that Haye ducked undisputed at cruiserweight and moved up to heavyweight to fight 34-6 journeyman/gatekeeper Barrett late that year. There's an ironic symmetry later in their careers too: Cunningham fought Fury in 2013, Haye ducked Fury the same year.

    Had Haye taken a second cruiserweight loss against Cunningham, the ultra-lucrative, high prestige Klitschko fight/fights would have lost a lot of lustre (if it ever happened), so Cunningham was avoided despite significant upside.
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ngl Cunningham did call him out, this sounds like a duck. Hayes stamina was suspect at cruiserweight i could see Steve winning down the stretch
     
  3. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

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    Cunningham was no joke, very well respected and his risk reward ratio was terrible which makes him a no go for most fighters especially Haye at that time....then Fury used Cunningham for sparring against Haye...whilst Haye brought in stiff chumps like Wilder got battered around then decided he couldn't handle getting embarrased. Haye tried playing a lot of sneaky intimidation tactics for Fury like releasing sparring clips from camp which fighters rarely do, shows lack of confidence really, opposite effect of intended.
     
  4. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cunningham was a hell of a cruiserweight and was too risky for Haye’s mission (which was supposedly to conquest Klitschko).
     
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  5. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Haye fighting Barrett 8 years after Wlad did and thinking it was some big accomplishment was the most David Haye thing ever. Talk about about a guy over promising and under delivering :lol:
     
  6. TNSNO1878

    TNSNO1878 Active Member Full Member

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    Haye had incredible natural speed and power, but he was privvy to the business, too. He would consistently look for the biggest fights, rather than the best challengers, but in his defense, these worlds did collide a couple of times; he fought a prime Wlad in Germany, and Mormeck in France, who had just won the WBC strap, but Mormeck had shown his chin could be cracked, as could Wlad; of course, both were calculated risks.

    The Cunningham fight did not offer the same purse as a move to heavyweight, and up until this point, Cunningham had not shown the same vulnerabilities. The risk was much higher than the reward. Still, for the record, I think he'd have knocked Cunningham out, especially if Fury managed it; Haye was a much heavier puncher. The mesmeric boxing oracle, Adam Booth, knew this, as he was always 10 steps ahead of everyone, and went down the route to a big-money Klitschko fight, hoping to do what Sanders did to him, but we all know how that panned out.
     
  7. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "I think he'd have knocked Cunningham out, especially if Fury managed it; Haye was a much heavier puncher"

    I don't think the logic follows. Fury wasn't the biggest puncher Wilder fought but he KO'd him twice, whereas Wilder's opponents in 44 non-Fury fights pre-Zhang did not. Ortiz was a bigger puncher than Fury, similar to Haye, yet he couldn't even put Wilder down over 17 rounds.

    It's certainly possible that Haye would have KO'd Cunningham but Cunningham was only stopped once in 40 fights. And Fury's attributes that enabled him to break Cunningham down (massive size, stamina, durability, tenacity, pressure and inside fighting skills) are nothing like Haye's.
     
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  8. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things.

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    Haye was all about risk vs reward. Haye made more fighting Valuev than he would have made fighting Cunningham.
    And while Harrison was a joke of a fight, it was still a massive box office and PPV hit.

    Hell, I bet Haye made as much fighting Barret than he did vs Mormeck or Maccarinelli.
     
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  9. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don’t hold that against Haye, Cunningham wasn’t a draw, not even in US and even though I believe Haye would have KO’d Cunningham it was a bigger risk than reward. If it generated enough money/fame for Haye he would have took that fight.

    I know Haye gets a lot of hate here but he been in some fun fights and delivered some massive KO’s.

    Haye knocking out Chisora and his trainer at the same time is as cool as it gets!
     
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  10. TNSNO1878

    TNSNO1878 Active Member Full Member

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    Do you think Ortiz was a bigger puncher than Fury? To be fair to him, he had Wilder absolutely out on his feet at one point in the first fight. Fury knocked Wilder out through exhaustion, I think, rather than concussive power. He didn't have that insane concussive one-punch equaliser that Haye had.

    Haye even managed to flatline Chisora, despite really being a cruiserweight, and the only other person who really managed that was Whyte, because he connected with one of the cleanest left hooks I've seen at heavyweight in about 20 years. Cunnigham was a solid, world-level guy, but I don't think anyone at cruiserweight could have stood up to Haye's power, really.
     
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  11. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't remember anyone clamoring for it at the time. After Haye beat Macarenlli I remember all the talk being about his difficulty making the limit and moving up right after. In the 2000's no one really cared about undisputed and unifying belts or at least did not care as much as they do now.
     
  12. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you may be right. I don’t think there were any undisputed champions at any weight in 2008. We’ve had so many in recent years with quite a few even becoming undisputed in several weight divisions like Usyk, Crawford and Inoue and single weight undisputed champions like Beterbiev, Bivol, Canelo and Taylor that we forget that 4 belt undisputed matchups is really just a relatively recent trend.
     
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  13. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think people just prioritized the biggest fights possible. Guys like Floyd and Manny, Morales, Barrera did not consistently unify divisions

    Roy Jones was sort of an anomaly and heavyweight would typically get unification fights being the glamour division but that was kind of it
     
  14. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "The undisputed" was not a prestigious honor at this time. That was made up by marketing people and fans started caring about it out of the blue. This is the first era where thats really been an "institution" in the sport of boxing. "Undisputed" is not an honor that a boxer in 2007 or 2008 who grew up in the 1980s was thinking about.

    Haye went to HW. Cruiserweight is a tweener division with a very short history. While at this point it has a little tradition this scenario was almost 20 year ago. Even today if a CW can parlay their success into HW oppurtunities they are going to do that. If HW wasn't jammed Jai would probably be there hes at CW because if he went up hes going to have to sit in traffic for years and its a no go right now. Haye did not have to sit in traffic the road was open.
     
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  15. PrimoGT

    PrimoGT Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    "Undisputed" was a big thing in the 1980s.
    After the WBA and WBC started recognizing different champions, and then the IBF came along, being 'undisputed' became a big thing.
     
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