Why do people criticize David Haye so much?

In all of his fights post Sanders

But he didnt just flop to the floor during the attempted clinches. There was times when all Wlad had to do is put his glove on Hayes head and Haye went down.

 

He pulled him behind the back of the head, which isn't legal either

There was nothing wrong with his plan to steop the illegal holding, if a big ass man is going to lean his 250lbs of weight on you, just go to your knees so he can't do it

 

Tbf I think thats a bit of an exaggeration. There was an issue with the rain, his boots & the canvas, hence why he wore trainers vs chisora. Plus the fact he had an injury which affected his balance.

You're one of the few quality posters on ESB imo, not trying to start an argument :good

 

No one considered Nikolay Valuev a top 3 heavyweight when Haye beat him.

No one.

Your dwelling on where the Klitschkos were after 24 fights and where Haye was after 24 fights is completely arbitrary and the number of fights means little. It only shows that Wlad has been a much more active fighter in his career.

Wlad's 25th fight was against Ross Purrity. Wlad had been a professional boxer for two years. He was stopped by Purrity.

Haye's 25th fight was against John Ruiz. Haye had been a professional boxer for seven and a half years. After fighting for almost two years, he was stopped by Carl Thompson.

 

I think common sense would dictate that these were intimidation tactics - if you think someone should hold them accountable literally to what they say, i think you're the maniac. These tactics weren't well-received by the public view either, nor any other type of of extremist-type intimidation of recent history.

We're talking about boxing.... you know, the conflict in the ring. If you're saying alot of **** about how you gonna do this and that, but your behaviors and tactics in the ring are completely the opposite, then IT IS a bunch of **** talk.

Dood, a fighter backs up his **** talk IN the ring, not out of it. You went totally left field and wholly missed my point altogether....

And if you're referring to IN the ring, then yes, everyone is held accountable to that **** talk. And MT was a letdown with all that talk, especially vs Holyfield

 

I hate the way Wlad's clinching is swept under the carpet. Not only is it ugly to watch, it is undeniably illegal. In the first round against Mormeck, Wlad held 16 times. In what world isn't that excessive? If the fight had gone the distance, he would have held nearly 200 times and the majority of those were literally grabbing Mormeck from distance and pulling him close to stop any sort of inside work being done by Mormeck.

It is clearly illegal. Khan was rightly deducted points because he used pushing in order to keep his distance. Wlad uses clinching but it's the same basic foul. Whilst it may not be in the same category as a low blow or a headbutt, it's an illegal tactic and for whatever reason, Wlad gets 100% protection in every one of his fights.

Haye gets criticized for going to the floor but what is he supposed to do? Let a much bigger man lean on him for 5 seconds at a time? No. He had to do something, so why is he at fault?

Wlad's holding is bull****. I wish there was a strong referee to take the correct decision and deduct points but that isn't going to happen as long as K2 promote these big events.

 

Yeah, I have to agree

Thanks

 

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Because the Klitschkos are simply better than Haye..
If Haye was on the same level as the Klitschkos and was able to dominate and shutout his opponents, he would not be considered "exciting"

 

this is 100% true, how the **** does vlad get away with that persistent clinching. its pretty clear the refs in germany are told to allow vlad to get away with that. vlad obvioulsy has no inside game whatsoever and refuses to exchange in close quarters because he knows he has no chin.

the khan comparison is spot on, another fighter with no inside game and no chin, yet khan was rightly warned about it v peterson tryin to push his opponent off as a tactic to avoid inside fighting much to khans detriment in the fight.

i want to see vlad fight someone and be warned in the 1st round about the persisting clinching, and have points taken off in the 2nd round if it persists, and then be warned of a disqualification from the 3rd round onwards if he continues to clinch (though we know this will never happen fighting in germany). i then want to see how vlad can adapt his game and fight on the inside without breaking the rules continuously.

 

K2 pick their referees carefully & with good reason. Wlad can only fight at range, in close his only response is to grab, clinch & lean. I agree its utter bull**** but whilst he can get away with it Wlad will just continue to do the same routine in every fight.

I hope when/if he fights Arreola in America there is a decent referee who wont allow the usual octopus tactics. If he does then the fight is utterly pointless, no other superstar gets the same preferential treatment & is so protected by supposedly neutral officials.

In Ali-Frazier 2 the ref allowed Ali to grab hold of the back of Joe's neck everytime they were in close. In the FOTC & Manilla the ref didnt & we saw very different fights.

 

Brittards: Wladimir Klitschko clinched his way to be the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world :rofl atsch :rofl

These guys are pure comedy :rofl