why do people still doubt cotto??

I bet you a pack of oranges and refried beans he can crack an egg :yep :deal

 

Only if he eats his Pidgeon Brains stew before the fight! :dead

I saw a clip of Edwin Rosario eating that before the Chavez fight.

 

Did they also show Edwin cutting off the birds balls and placing them under his pillow for the chupacabara to bring him good luck

I think he forgot that part, that's why that tequila drinking apacalypto muthafunker beat his ass. :-(

 

Well make sure to tell Cotto to put the Bollas under HIS pillow, He will need all the luck he can get!

 

Don't worry you know what we call luck in Puerto Rico??? "passa me la cuchillo"

 

Neither I doubt Cotto nor do I take ESB belt holder Requiem4Stwscie lightly ( or for granted), let me make myself clear to you:

1 - With that same straightfoward simplicity, I state you have to figure Miguel out from outside and jump in xtremely light on your feet, not as jumpy or flashy as Paulie, but why would you stay right in front of him, take it and concede?

2 - Shane is not supposed to be a precious piece of China for Crissake and he is not about to shy away as the man-tiger/manticore rushes in and the ricans rise a coupla octaves in MSG, but Suga will risk his chances to slip away in this watershed occasion for him if he goes for it sort of testing the other man's will or out-muscle an unusual broad-shouldered, larger than life bully - that makes no sense to me, Shane has nothing to prove to Miguel or 2 the judges, just stayin there and taking it, otherwise I ask has Floyd proven anything of that sort to be so successful until this point?

I would look into Shane and Miguel since I have all their televised fights and I did - spent literally hours playing tapes, pausing, slow motion, goin back & forth before writing "This Fall, Full Aces High till there are Two Men standing" ESB article...

Therefore and I finally, Requiem's point by point, here are my most unbiased assumptions:

Shane has lightning swift spark comprehension, talent and much more fluid technique. His footwork is much better cause Miguel somehow seems to lose balance and footing when somebody drives him off.

Shane is not proven stronger than Miguel by any means whatsoever... He was 31-0 as a lightweight (30 kayos) and a vicious body puncher, relentless, blurring combo puncher too but just 9-2 as a welterweight (5 kayos) and against Estrada, Cruz, Collazo, he made it wisely snappy and wrestled himself out of danger, 3-2 as a light-middle ( 1 NC, 2 kayos) and he didn't show to be stronger that Ferocious Fernando the first time - it was all even at the end of the 9th, threw less punches, Vargas 42% CompuBox powerpunch rate with 127 punches landed, Shane 33% with 114 punches landed, just capitalized with the heavy, short right hand over the aztec warrior's left shoulder as he barely moved his trunk. The second fight he had 63% connect rate after 4 rounds but Fernando's back was killing him. In short contrast, Miguel won all 7 WBO light welter title fights, and against Urkal, Cotto had 54% powerpunch connect rate and 55% against Zab, after 8 rounds - there's a great line in boxing which says that if you don't catch your oppenent off guard and right on the button ( like against Quintana), if you have more than 50 % powerpunch rate, you're gonna win the fight... So nothin gives me the indication that Shane is stronger ( like Hoya was bigger but not proven stronger, sharper than Floyd) so he should not muscle up, load up and rely on the one punch and should be aware of the other man venomous body punchin power hell yeah.

Shane has been dropped by Forrest from outside range, had his face distorted by counters and right jabs by long muscled, lefties Wright and Louie Collazo ( 2nd round), had his head/neck snapped back by Cruz and Vargas jabs and thus, he maybe just proves he has a solid chin, not stronger than Cotto who simply showed world class resilience against Torres and even against Chop Chop rather that world class by itself against a top world class opponent ( Larry's words). The unalduterated truth would be that Mosley should make an intelligent fight, not endanger himself too much ( as he does) and spy on chances to score with his superior timing and more unpredictable power surge.

Shane cannot definitely fight on the inside if you mean letting Miguel narrow the field and smash through his rib cage at will, oh no, he should time him on the way in, close the distance, get his breath evened and so that he doesn't get spent right away, wrestle himself out or double, triple hook outa there instead of waiting foolishly for Cotto to find every bit of resolve within him, nail him pretty good and unleash that overwhelmingly tortuos compression against the ropes - Cotto even wrenched Branco's arm from its socket, nobody can disregard his body punching!

I agree Shane can buy time inside but I would use the double, triple snappy jab to set up a straight right in the middle, between Miguel's large shoulders rather than try to exchange jabs cause otherwise Shane can go back to his corner and say to Jack that he's feeling his back straightened and tight or that he dropped his work-rate cause he had a ****** on his back ( Wright 1st fight post interview).

Last but not the least, I agree that with the passage of seasons and consequential change of patterns that strikes everyone ( for instance 25 year old Ricky vs 36 year old Tszyu once), Shane's birth certificate and Miguel's enormous, stoical, sheer willpower, Bob Arum is expecting some sort of discomfort/ lethargy that would/ could weight Mosley down rather than getting shaken to his core by some assault or punch - Highly unlikely I have to emphasize that other option is yes...

 

My take is...If the right Mosley shows up for this one....Cotto's got a big problem.Cause Shane can hit...and fast.Throws great sizzling combos if you are there to be hit....which IMO Cotto is.And he loves it to the body.Plus Mosley is much faster of foot.Not like Floyd-type-fast....he showed that against VargasII(albeit the short Vargas)...mosley is essentially bigger than Cotto...add the fact that he's gonna be slightly taller than/longer reach than Cotto...The only thing IMO in Cotto's favour(??)...is,can Mosley still take it like he used to....Cause in this fight you best believe he's gonna get hit...and hard...Remeber Forrest??He was'nt afraid of popping Mosley and as a result Mosley went into a shell...losing the fight in the process.Sure Cotto ain't no Vernon Forrest...skillwise....but he still hits very hard.

Mosley has to get onto Cotto early and hard...build a gap...hopefully we'll see a few knockdowns.Cotto IMO has a puncher's shot on Mosley.Not a KO shot,but wear-him-down puncher's shot...if he can get to him.

Great fight.

 

i just cant get torres landing 38 punches on cotto in round 2 out of my head,it wasn't because cotto was weight drained,it's because cotto is reckless and vulnerable when he comes forward and also torres had faster hands then cotto.Mosley will land at will on cotto and i wont be suprised if mosley end's it early.

 

Give me a list of your three favortie fighters and I'll give you a moment when they showed vulnerability. Did you ever lose trust in them? Did you ever question their ability? Or even better did you ever make up threads and write up posts constantly bashing their career and credibility as a fighter? probably not.

Don't be surprised if this one ends in the 10th round via TKO in Cotto's favor.

Oh and I won't be shocked if Mosely wins, see unlike most people on ESB I respect every fighters ability and since this is a sport that involves bashing another man's skull you never know who might win, nothing is written in stone in boxing.

 

If you don't doubt a fighter just a little, you aren't analyzing logically. Unquestioning faith is the hallmark of a fanboy.

Cotto has shown great resiliency and also great improvement in the last couple years, but he is a long, long way from being a perfect fighter, if such a thing exists. What we are going to find out about him as he tackles the elite in his prime is how he handles fighters quicker on their feet, with equal, if not superior technique, and more championship level experience.

Getting by Zab answered some, not all, of the early chin questions. Zab is dangerous for half a fight. Shane is dangerous for twelve rounds.

 

Good post.....

I doubt their is a perfect fighter, if their was one that existed I doubt anyone would fight him. :yep

 

And hey, we all have fighters we love for whatever reason, I just try to stay objective about whether or not they'll win. Hopkins has probably been my favorite fighter of the last bunch of years, but I'll admit, I was sweating bullets before the fights with Tito, Taylor, and Tarver (not Oscar lmao.) Too much crazy sh*t happens in this game to ever have 100% faith in an outcome.

Honestly, one big advantage I think Cotto caries into the Mosley fight is his cool head. We've seen Shane get kind of frazzled before when things don't go his way (the head butt aginst Forrest, never coming up with a plan B against Wright, arguing with his corner against Oscar the second time around.) Cotto just takes a deep breath and keeps marching forward. I love that about him.