Why do so many K2 opponents complain about negotiations?

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  1. MickeyBlueEyess

    MickeyBlueEyess Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The wit to think of that? Yeah that was well funny :patsch
     
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  2. RonnieHornschuh

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    Most people make career high paydays when they are fighting the Klits - FACT
    Yet some of them still *****.
    If you are the challenger you don't get to call the shots.
    Imagine Carl 'The Truth Williams' say: "Tyson won't let me use my gloves." GTFO...
     
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  3. ludwig

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    In Solis' case it seems like his team is hoping to milk this fight for all they can and then retire. I hope that's not true but them's the signs.

    As for Haye and SNV, they have next to no chance and they know it, so they're for a maximum payday when they finally get in with a Klit.

    Right now it looks like Haye might not fight again till summer....we'll see if he gets stripped.
     
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  4. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember Valuev accepted then it went immediately to 1.5 mil . Now converts to dollars and not euros

    they are shady ****ers

    no medicals WTF??
     
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  5. Larryboys

    Larryboys Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not quite. They offered him 2.5 million when he was WBA champion to fight Vitali I think it was, in a unification match. It was turned down. Then after Valuev lost that title negotiations were reopened between them, Valuev was now ready to accept 2.5 million, only now he wasn't a champion so the fight was worthless, so the new offer was 1.5 million. which he or his promoters more likely turned down, instead choosing to fight Vladislar Nobody and make 100% of the purse of nothing. The Klitschkos are tough negotiators it seems but boxing is a business, you don't pay people more than you have too. Who are guys like Valuev going to make anymore money against? They aren't draws themselves and there aren't any other draws in the heavyweight division to get a payday off of.
     
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  6. swayz

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    nope...both offers were made after valuev lost his title. neither side had any interest in unifying.
     
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  7. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The fact they make better offers than their possible opponent can make elsewhere is completely irrelevant. The Klitschko's are big names, so it's inevitable. Mayweather could fight anyone and that opponent would make more money but it still doesn't mean the fee they receive is fair. When people say the offer is bull****, they say it not because they're greedy, but they know how mucvh has been paid for the challenger for years and years.

    And, seriously, how can anyone defend, for one example, Tua earning more money against Cameron than he would against Klitschko? **** sake, you're deluded if you think the offer K2 made him was fair.

    Like I've said, anyone who is defending K2, show me one promoter who has had as many accusations as K2 have in the past few years. That's all you have to do. I've been reading about guys in every division from strawweight to heavyweight and I've not seen one promoters name appear as often as the Klitschko's have done. Not one and they only promote two ****ing fighters! So if they are being fair, then surely there are other promoters out there who are doing similar and worse things? If so, name them and give examples.

    Even Bob Arum, who has an awful reputation right now, isn't coming close to the number of accusations of bull**** you're getting from the Klitschko's and he promotes around 50 fighters.
     
    Jack, Jan 5, 2011
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  8. madballster

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    You remember wrong. Eight months is not "immediately" and you conveniently forget a 25% swing in the EURUSD exchange rate during the time frame.

    I explained this several times to you and yet I read the same **** about the Vitali - Valuev timeline from you over and over again :deal
     
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  9. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why don't we look at a couple of actual purses the Klitschkos paid or offered, just from the top of my head:

    Briggs made $1 million vs. Vitali
    Sosnowski made $1 million vs. Vitali
    Ibragimov made $5 millions vs. Wlad
    Gomez made $1.6 millions vs Vitali
    Povetkin was about to be handed $2.2 million for fighting Wlad
    Valuev reportedly was offered over $2 million for fighting Vitali

    Tell me what's so terrible about these offers? How much should these guys be paid? Tell me what's fair?

    Should Valuev without a title and with no belt be paid $4 million like Don King asked? What about Sosnowski. Instead of $1 million, should he have gotten $3 million? Is that it? Or what about Briggs? $2 million instead of $1 million, considering how badly he was beaten up?

    Go through the above numbers one by one please and tell me what amount you would consider "fair". This certainly would give your claim some substance!
     
    madballster, Jan 5, 2011
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  10. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:

    You're ignoring the question. Give me one promoter who has as many accusations as K2 has. I won't ask for proportionately, as that would mean you'd have to find 25 times as many complaints about, say, Top Rank. K2 have two fighters and I don't think any other promoter has as many accusations of bad negotiating. Prove me wrong or admit that the Klitschko's are offering bad deals.

    Whilst you're at it, please name one contract in the history of boxing, which is as bad as a three fight deal, which is an immediate rematch and then the fighter must fight the others brother! Just one contract in the history of boxing.

    The money up there is good, yes, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's fair. For example, yeah, Sosnowski earned $1m but Vitali earned $25m. There should never be that massive disparity in boxing. Manny Pacquiao, the biggest star in world boxing, earned $12m against Clottey, who earned $1.2m. Pacquiao earned half as much as Vitali yet Clottey earned the same $1m as Sosnowski and it wasn't like Clottey was a name or anything.

    You could say that Tua didn't deserve the offer he got. After all, he's done nothing in years, right? Yet he made more against Cameron, so he's obviously worth more than what the Klitschko's offered. When fighting for a world title means less than fighting a national level fighter, there are issues.

    A Klitschko/Tua fight would have been bigger than Klitschko/Sosnowski, right? So why was Tua offered $400,000 whilst Sosnowski earned three times as much? And as a Tya/Klitschko fight would be bigger, you'd assume Klitschko would make more than against Sosnowski, which would be more than $25m. You think it's fair than Klitschko would make over $25,000,000 and Tua would earn $400,000?
     
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  11. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jack is a tool swinging off of Hayes nuts according to him those mean Klitschkos are always picking on poor little Haye and Haye has done everything possible over the years to fight them but despite his noble intenetions and through no fault of his own the fight has never happened because of those greedy unreasonable brothers. :deal
     
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  12. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What are you on about? You're a really odd person, honestly.
     
    Jack, Jan 5, 2011
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  13. Overhill

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    What?

    But yeah, I would've loved to see Tua against Vitali or Wlad but I don't think even 1,5M would've been enough for him. Tua knows that a Klitschko fight will most likely end up with L in his record if not even worse. He's better of knocking guys out on Maori TV and save the big fight for last.

    Hilarious idea of 5'10" Tua in stare down with over 6'7" Vitali.
     
    Overhill, Jan 5, 2011
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  14. madballster

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    1. Promoter with more allegations of greed and shadyness than the Klitschkos: Don King, Klaus-Peter Kohl
    2. The Klitschkos offer 3 option deals to voluntary challengers. You say a 3 option deal is out of this world? The facts speak against it. Haye signed a 4 fight deal with Sauerland. All voluntary challengers to Don King promoted fighters (Byrd, Holyfield, Valuev etc. etc.) had to sign multiple options with King. K2 asking for options is business as usual.
    3. Vitali didn't earn $25 million vs. Sosnowski, what are you smoking?

    See http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/mehr-...-vitali-klitschko/geldmaschine-klitschko.html

    You claim Vitali makes $25 million per fight yet his net worth is estimated to be around 15 million EURO after like what 10 title fights?

    :deal:deal:deal
     
    madballster, Jan 5, 2011
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  15. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Vitali made $25m against Sosnowski.

    Regardless of how the fight went, a $400k offer is absolutely bull****. He made more fighting a C-class fighter! How the hell can he make $500k against Cameron and then be offered $400k to fight Vitali?

    Come off it.
     
    Jack, Jan 5, 2011
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