Why Do today's Heavyweights Throw & Land Fewer Punches?

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  1. Tramell

    Tramell Active Member Full Member

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    THESE ARE THE ROUGH ESTIMATE OF PUNCHES LANDED BY HW'S OF THE 1990S.

    Holy landed 242
    Bowe Landed 357

    Tyson 246
    Ruddock 124

    Ibeabuchi 332
    Tua 282


    HW's punches landed of the past 10 years.
    Wilder 71
    Fury84

    Joshua 90
    Povetkin 47

    Joshua 139
    Parker 101

    Fury 86
    Klitschko 52

    Haye was credited for landing 72 against Klitschko. 98 against Valuev


    Give or take a dozen that compubox or punchstats may have missed/added, there seams to be a steady decline in punches thrown and landed by today's HW's.

    Why? Is it based on better defense? Or no DOGS in today's ring?
    I don't think Fury can clinch or dance or jab his way from a crazed slugger like Marciano, damn his height, he was constantly throwing, same with a small Tua to Tyson.
    The lateral movement of Holyfield, while throwing is rarely seen today. Seams like AJ, Fury, Wladimir likes to be set to throw. Wilder does want to throw, but wow, his accuracy or lack thereof reminds me of the Green Bay Packers QuarterBack Gunslinger Brett Favre. When he scored a TD, they were bombs, but he also threw more Interceptions than a muthatrucker. Meaning his accuracy was for crap.

    Neither Fury nor Wilder impress me as being able to deal with virtually any HW from the past era. While I think Wladimir could've clinched his way to a decision against some past greats.....The Wilder Fury fight had me puzzled. They both were horrible in the landing category. yes Fury was cagey, but he had a windmill-one-trick- pony in front of him.

    Ali threw while moving. I can only but flip the script and question, if Fury is such a better boxer than Wilder, then why couldn't he land 100 punches against him? How could he have been hit just as many times? Their difference was a dozen punches?
     
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  2. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum heavyweightblog.com booted Full Member

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  3. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot El gran campeón Mexicano Full Member

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    beat me to it
     
  4. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's it in a nutshell
     
  5. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Less to do with size and more to do with styles. Two of those modern stats include a defensive fighter in Fury, one only lasted a few rounds, and another included a fighter in Parker who becomes defensive when he's at risk of being hit.

    Why didn't you add Chisora/Whyte? Or any of Millers fights? Looks very cherry picked to me.
     
  6. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep. And Fury matches his style to suit his opponent. He's been very high volume in other fights. Didn't make sense against Wlad or Wilder though.

    And Vitali and Lewis, both giant SHWs, set varius compu box punch stat records over their tenure(vs Johnson and Tua, respectively, I believe). So very selective fights chosen.
     
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    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OvidsExile Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can't make accurate analysis of two eras when you pick high action fights from one and lackluster fights from the other. Like Reg said, Chisra vs White was plenty busy. They had boring **** fights back in the day too. People just don't watch or talk about them anymore.

    I don't know why you are using punch stats from random fights, some of which ended several rounds early by knockout. You got the stats from compubox. Why didn't you simply ask compubox what the average punch rate is for heavyweights per round. They have it written down somewhere along with all the other divisional averages.
     
  9. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Developer Full Member

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    The cruiserweights have no problem with that.
     
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  10. Entaowed

    Entaowed Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This critique is right on target.
    You cannot even know if your assumption is correct if you start with a conclusion, instead of testing a premise, & use very biased innput to support a supposition.

    But also, why on earth use punch stats from guys in the past who had 2, or even 3 matches, & in the later era they are all one-offs?
    Without even listing the number of matches between opponents?

    This is at least unintentionally very deceptive.
     
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  11. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    These are classic barnburners compared to modern dull letdowns.
    You could also have done it the other way round, chosing a couple of old time clinchfests and compare those to modern day brawls.

    Another issue is better drugtesting nowadays. Punchoutput clearly reduces if you can't take epo or comparable substances.
     
  12. HerolGee

    HerolGee Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    with increasing body size, the human heart is subjected to bigger demands.

    now u might claim that their hearts are bigger, but a bigger heart has a reduced stroke load so its less efficient, not more. Size hinders them... so their hearts havent evolved to be bigger, not nearly.

    Now if the heart is by chance oversized, they have a disadvantage, since they pumping a reduced load of blood... and likely they wont even be in a cardio sport.

    so they gas faster, so need to punch less.
     
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  13. rapscalion

    rapscalion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They don't make them like they used to
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Or even Joshua Klitschko and Wilder Ortiz
     
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    Salty Dog JMM KO8 LOMACHENKO Full Member

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    srsly... /thread
     

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