I am not quiet in my lofty praise for Floyd's abilities, I think he's probably Top 10 of all time in terms of how good he is (overall, Top 40 in terms of greatness). I have major trouble considering him TBE, though because: 1. We haven't seen him in there with ATG, stylistic threats at-or-near prime. Instead, we have evidence of him facing Castillo and Maidana who were the stylistic threats. IMO he's 2-1-1 in that series. Maidana would've beaten a 2007 version of Mayweather IF Maidana didn't make the simple pacing strategy error of punching himself out. Hear me out here - Roberto Garcia told Maidana that he has to land around 100 punches per round to win. Once Maidana had clearly won a round within about a minute and a half of his own work, Maidana carried on going, expending unecessary energy. Maidana has stamina issues anyway, and he could've danced around to secure the point for whatever round he was clearly ahead in, whilst having energy in the latter rounds to keep up the pace. Also, by staying in war, he opened himself up to Mayweather's attacks and had given Mayweather more input for him to adjust. In the rematch, Roberto Garcia screwed up AGAIN, but by this time making Maidana stand and fight in the centre of the ring a little more, emphasising more pure boxing which is Mayweather's game. Because of the nature of Maidana's losses being more basic tactical errors, it wouldn't seem befitting to call Mayweather TBE. Also, the JLC fight, there may be proof that Mayweather really did have a torn rotator cuff, but I'm not sure. Mayweather's greatest victory was over Castillo, not any of the others. People make fun of Pacquiao for losing to Marquez, but at the end of the day, Pac had an even rivalry with Marquez, who is an ATG, ultimate stylistic threat to Pac. Who is better, Pac or Floyd? Well Pac is not TBE, and I'd be inclined to think that Floyd is better BUT the evidence doesn't really allow me to make that judgement. 2. Floyd's approach to boxing - Hit and Don't Get Hit - but unfortunately he doesn't 'hit' enough to be able to soundly beat the other TBE level fighters of old i.e a Napoles, Duran, Leonard etc. I've done a pretty basic thread on why Mayweather couldn't possibly beat Duran: This content is protected They were all complete fighters, but this is where Floyd lacks. 3. PED era started from mid 40's and there were a larger talent pool, and a focus on skill in the older times. They had the raw PED's and the testing was even worse than even a modern day USADA. The argument 'new timers beat old timers' holds no real weight. 4. No at-or-near prime ATG or even higher, mid, lower mid tier HOF on his resume. 5. My TBE's are RJJ, SRR, Duran, Ali as Clay, Leonard, Hearns, Napoles. They're locks and have proven why they're locks. I don't have to 'suspect' they're TBE level the way I 'suspect' Lomachenko is TBE level. Outside of these points, Floyd especially at 130 (he wasn't aggressive like his biggest fans want to paint him as, on the basis of a youtube highlight video), was one of the very best ever but it's those factors mentioned which is why I don't feel he can soundly be seen as TBE.