Why do you'll keep trying minimize AJs win over wlad???

And yet Finkel said Wilder 'wasn't ready' for the Wlad that fought Fury.

 

Explain to me when beating a 40 year old on a huge layoff became a stellar achievement that the boxing world should bend the knee to?! No ones minimizing anything, it’s just not that impressive /shrug I’m sorry that’s just facts

 

Where did you get the idea that I'm intimated by a poster? Least of all by one all who desperately clutches at straws and makes up phantom arguments such as pretending that I agree with the idea that boxing in America is dead.


No one has implied Wlad was in poor physical shape He was and is always in great shape, however mentality he was shot and old man can be in great shape, yet they are still not the same as someone who are is in their youthful prime. And lets' not even go into ring rust from not being in the ring for 18 moths, nearly 2 years without fighting, one less year than Fury's hiatus who people say shouldn't be rushed into fighting anyone of note besides complete bums to ease himself back into the game. And Fury is 29 years old!

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This old man looks great, doesn't he! Yet without question, his cells, dna and genes would have rapidly declined internally where he can't do the same things he did as to when he was 20-30.

 

Both fury and aj are much better boxers than wilder, but I still think windmill can beat AJ by landing one of his wild windmills.

 

You can't have it both ways......
You're just guessing again about both fighters 'primes'.

Klitschko was not in his prime during his first 24 fights, So why are you assuming Joshua is?


A 24 fight Joshua demolishes a 24 fight Klitschko.
A 18 fight Joshua beat an extremely experienced Klitschko.
A 35 fight Joshua against Prime Vlad? A guessing game......

But Joshua's weaknesses are being improved upon fight after fight....
He's the greatest prospect in HW history.

 

He's a HW.....of course he can KO AJ, or any heavyweight.

The problem is, that's Wilder's only way to victory.

 

Different era's and different factors tie in. Sports science has evolved the sport where today fighters have access to revolutionary technology where they can now train, recover and improve significantly faster than athletes of the past, within a shorter time frame.

So of course you can't simplify everything and say well ''Klitschko, Tyson, Ali weren't fighting the same level of opponents as AJ. That's nothing but tunnel vision fanboy nonsense.

And no Joshua is not a prospect, he's a fully grown 29 year old man. That's like calling Tyson Fury a prospect which is beyond special thinking.

You don't know anything about boxing, casual. You only know about AJ and his opponents, that's it.

 

Yeah agree

 

surely it doesnt tie in, because you'd need to allow both parties that advantage, not just hand the advantage to the modern lot.

 

If Vlad was at the top of his abilities when he fought AJ, why then has he retired? It just doesn't add up! One way to measure the significance of a win, is to see what the vanquished fighter does after he loses. Now if Vlad was to rematch Fury and win, then your argument is justified. Vlad however has not fought since, therefore AJ beat a once great fighter at the end of his career. On that note, it was a great heavyweight fight. AJ showed a warriors heart and a champions determination.

 

I don't rate most of Wlad loss very highly for the winner. Kind of a weird catch 22 I never honestly put much thought into. I suppose it's easy to make excuses for Wlad's pre Emanuel years and just as easy to make an excuse for Wlad's post Manny years as well. Basically the guy did excellent when his trainer was in his corner. Guys who came before didn't deliver the best version of Klitschko to us. Sadly Banks didn't seem to deliver the best version of Wlad either.

Could just be a convenient way to explain a decade of fat, undersized, over-the-hill mandatories, or maybe Wlad really needed Manny.

So best case scenario Joshua got a version of Wlad that was always very very good but not the best he could be, worst case Joshua KO'd an over-the-hill champion who has absolutely nothing to brag about outside of being the only full sized and in shape HW for a decade.

Dude didn't do great when HW boxing was half decent and didn't do great when it came back to half decent. He only did great during the shitest years in the division, but those years are also the Manny years so take your pick man. Either way Joshua got a poor version of Wlad.