Why does lifting weights do nothing for a fighter?

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  1. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man get something happening in your life, it’s really pathetic how you seem to weigh up your value based on validation from people on a boxing forum. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I don’t find it amusing but it’s also sad at the same time.
     
  2. bandeedo

    bandeedo quaecumque vera Full Member

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    sure thing, sport. its obvious you got it all figured out, lol.
     
  3. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Active Member Full Member

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    Depends on whether done right or not.
     
  4. LeeD1982

    LeeD1982 Member Full Member

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    Core lifts, Yes. (Deadlifts, squats - though I suspect rarely to one rep max)

    Fast twitch exercises, Yes! (sprints, weighted jumps, rope climbing)

    Slow, laborious bodybuilding lifts, No! (hours on bench press, shoulder press, bicep curling)


    Some boxers just have naturally herculean genetics (Joshua, etc). There'll be blokes in the local gym who can lift more than the heavyweight champions of the world in static lifts. Tyson Fury said his absolute 1 rep max deadlift in top condition is 250kg, which is more than respectable. A couple of lads in my local gym can top 300kg! I'd like to know what someone like AJ can bench as I suspect I'm pretty close to him (140kg one rep max).

    In short, static strength is a very small part of the puzzle for boxers.

    They'll be strong, but not superhuman strong because they just don't need to be.
     
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  5. Furious

    Furious Member Full Member

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    Disagree with that. Doing those sort of functional exercises is far more beneficial to a boxer than doing isolation work like bicep curls. Those things, specifically the medicine ball and sledgehammer work, is really good for your core (which is where lots of punch power is generated).
     
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  6. LeeD1982

    LeeD1982 Member Full Member

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    Agree 100%. Boxing is a rough sport (especially up close) and functional strength is a massive indicator of who'll still be stood at the end.

    When I started hiking semi-seriously, my squat and deadlifts improved because I was just pushing my body in new and strange directions that isolation exercises don't reach.
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That`s what happened to M.Tyson`s punching during the 90`s when he started lifting weights.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You look more defined when you lift weights, look at Spence`s body compared to Tito`s much more definition.
     
  9. LeeD1982

    LeeD1982 Member Full Member

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    Mike Tyson is a genetic anomaly.

    This is a guy who could probably bench 200 pounds the very first day he walked into a gym.

    Maybe for extreme cases like him building yet more muscle starts to have diminishing returns.

    But the average Joe will benefit massively from lifting in everything from Boxing to Tennis.
     
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  10. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A lot of boxers in the past didn`t lift weights because it was thought to make a fighters body too stiff, Ali didn`t lift weights.
     
  11. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Athletes in most sports didn't lift weights in the past, but now most sports do incorporate strength and conditioning training. Look at how athletic Cristiano Ronaldo is compared to Pele, hell most pro football players are far, superior to players of the past.

    Look at tennis players now, they are physical beasts compared to players of the past and we probably have the 4 best players ever in the mens game right now all in one era, partially because of the sheer level of physical improvement in modern players.

    As for making you stiff, many elite lifters have tremendous flexibility. Most people in general lack the mobility to lift correctly, some have to improve mobility and flexibility to even squat or OHP.

    Look at Kloklov doing the splits, one of the best Olympic lifters ever with huge amount of muscle yet how many elite boxers you think can do the splits?

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  12. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    Pretty much all boxers do weights to one degree or another.
     
  13. Furious

    Furious Member Full Member

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    There's a really interesting young boxing S&C trainer (this guy
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    ) who uses lots of state of the art analysis and training methods. He has people like Anthony Fowler working with him (who, despite being a knob, is in fantastic condition).

    Lots of his training centres on functional work (medicine balls, sledgehammers) and compound work. Worth looking at his instagram page if you're into S&C.
     
  14. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Punching power is a result of numerous things, of which raw strength is only a single component. It does play a part, though, providing it's not done to excess and taking away from other factors.
     
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    Cheers pal
     

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