Why does no one ever talk about Juan Manuel Marquez is a one dimensional fighter?

That’s really what it all boils down to, honestly. And it’s sad. That’s like using Duran as a way to compare the careers of Leonard, Hearns, or Hagler to see whose better since they all fought him.
Instead of appreciating what JMM has done with his whole career everyone HAS to bring up Pac, while still crying about him beating Pac 4 times even after he’s gotten a convincing win. People are just never happy.

 

I was at the diaz fight it was here in houston. One of the best sporting event atmospheres I've ever been to.

 

Idec, jmm was a ****in beast

 

I don’t think Marquez was one dimensional. Not going to deeply into it but in regards to some fights mentioned by OP, gainer ran. Horribly. Awful fight. Marquez presses the action against John and won pretty clearly in my eyes. And the same with the Norwood fight. Marquez was the aggressor in those fights and was pretty much robbed in both of them. When up against pure boxers Marquez tends to become the aggressor and still wins...even if the official results don’t reflect it. I’m a huge Pacquiao fan and a huge Marquez fan. I will agree that Marquez has been used as a tool by Floyd fans and garners undeserved hate from Pacquiao fans. Marquez is a legend and his legacy stands on its own.

 

Jimmy McLarnin basically did what Pac did 80 years before he done did it.

 

Where does this exist? Boxing hipsters lol

 

Just because Marquez's hardest fight were pure boxers doesn't mean hes one dimensional. Alot of the struggle fights he had were against really minimal output, quick footed, angle driven southpaws who relied on only finding openings only for a straight left. That style is perfectly emulated in Rigondeaux. Those awkward fighters honestly, would make alot of prime hof fighters confused , especially old school ones because not alot of orthodox fighters are raised as a kid to fight lefty's who actually use original southpaw angles and styles. Also marquez edged those fights(fights which not alot of people would take), and honestly from those fights, I saw that he really understood how to trap and counter elusive southpaws. Marquez was skilled boxing iq wise, even back then; while someone like mayweather I feel got alot smarter as he got older.

This style just started to become popular recently, even pacquaio's traditional jab-straight left combo is still making boxers confused at its quickness, angle, power and speed; and Pacquiaio isnt even a pure boxer stylistically or even mentally. Mcgregor is punishing mma fighters with southpaw boxing angles, which contributed to his rise.


I also believe Mayweather himself; the pretty boy floyd version; did struggle against tricky southpaws. By the time he met pacquaio and ortiz though, he really figured it out (although his reach and size helped him here to, but the understandings there).

 

@Beouche someone that appreciates quality B

 

Definitely not.

In fact he's very far from it

 

Better résumé as well

 

1. Marquez (only because of KTFO6. If that didn't happen, he's #3)
2. Morales
3. Barrera

All HoFs and great Mexican warriors nonetheless.

 

Can't recall anyone ever saying marquez is the perfect fighter

It's well known that like every other boxer he has a style he struggles with... He doesn't like movers.. Marquez is far more suited to being on the back foot he's good on the front foot but against a pure boxer or slickster he will struggle.

Doesn't every boxer have a style they don't shine against... A stylistic kryptonite

It was obvious he didn't like movers ever since the Julian wheeler fight.... I always thought he beat Norwood and Chris John... He would never ever beat mayweather.. Whether he came in overweight or underweight.. Was just never going to happen... And the Bradley loss... Is at the end of marquez career in a weight division he has no business in... While in that weight he scored his best win he's still about 3 weights over his best weight and the fact he could hang with top welters is testament to how good he was

Hardly one dimensional

 

I wouldnt look at him/consider him one dimensional, but --100 -- can see how hed be perceived as so. I'm not smart enough to articulate this, but anyone/everyone who boxes/boxed has a natural and sometimes instinctual way of fighting due to their gifts, what comes natural, trainers, etc. etc. Hes one of the most instinctual counterpuncher s ive ever seen, maybe even the most, and that probably developed along with him from the start due to growing up in Mexico and always fighting come forward type fighters. Hes no initiator, cant press the action for **** like you said.

 

Marquez beat every style. TS is still smarting Marquez faceplanted his idol seven years ago