Why does nobody ever score 10-10 rounds? What's the problem?

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  1. Stoo

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    :lol:
     
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  2. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    two very scared fighters right there :lol:
     
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  3. Stoo

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    The only example of a draw under those circumstances I can think of

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22wYrVmj4Tk[/ame]
     
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  4. Ne5ville14

    Ne5ville14 Rationalist by default... Full Member

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    this has to be the most action packed fight in the history of the sport... !
     
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  5. Stoo

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    Neither man deserved to win it was so close...
     
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  6. achillesthegreat

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    Hard to do it when there is 5 minutes of such varied action.
     
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  7. leejunfan777

    leejunfan777 Guest

    even bouts have huge multipliers in gambling
     
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  8. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Bull****. If neither guy gains the advantage in a round, neither fighter is busier than the other or more effective than the other, and you find yourself making bull**** justifications to award the round to one or the other, then it's an evenly contested round and should be scored as such.

    So far as I see it, there are only three scoring opinions for any given round.

    That guy had the better of the action in that round = 10-9
    That guy beat the dog**** out of him in that round = 10-8
    That round was too close to call, you can make a good case for either guy = 10-10

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  9. Stoo

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    So name some cast iron, indisputable totally acceptable cases of rounds were zero argument can be made that one guy won?

    List me ten rounds please
     
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  10. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Yeah there is some truth to that.

    But the other way of looking at it is that Diaz had Condit's back for a minute, went for the choke, and was shut down by Condit's composure and effective defence. So Diaz went for a limb, Condit saw his opportunity to escape, did so with ease, and straightaway went on the attack. Diaz did get the takedown and he did get his back, but he did nothing with it - Condit's defence was superior to Diaz's attack.

    And of course, the other four minutes of the round was nothing but Condit fighting the fight he wanted and picking Diaz apart, hitting him almost at will while a flatfooted Diaz shuffled forward ineffectively, landing nothing of substance and looking clueless and frustrated. :conf

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  11. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    It's not about "zero argument can be made that one guy won", that's clearly ridiculous.

    It's about "a good case can be made for either guy winning the round."

    And there are a shitload of them. Round 5 in Diaz-Condit being a good recent example.

    Diaz got the takedown, took Condit's back and went for the submissions. You can give the round to him for that.

    Condit easily defended the submissions, used his skill to escape Diaz's control without soaking up any damage, and controlled the action for 80% of the round. You can give the round to him for that.

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  12. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    its not about making bull**** justifications to award a round to someone or not, its pretty ****ing simple in mma to pick a winner of a round based on all the criteria they give over a five minute period, it goes to show you know **** all about the technicalities of the sport if you cannot see which fighter was more effective at damage inflected, controlling where the fight took place and if in a rare case if these are even then the fighter who was more aggressive will win the round, if a fighter lands one strike more than the other fighter everything else equal then he is the winner according the rule book, you ****ing numpty
     
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  13. Stoo

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    Well that's just a case of 6 of one and half dozen of the other, which is equally ridiculous and solves nothing. If a case can be made for one guy winning the round, then you have to award the guy with the strongest case in your opinion the 10, even if the guy next to you disagrees

    There's no room for an ''Atta boy you can both have 10 points''. There's so many different facets in MMA that it's next to imposable for one guy to not gain the upper hand within the scoring criteria, whether it's a close round like round 5 of Diaz and Carlos, or a one sided beat down like Shogun v Hendo round 1

    Can you list some examples of a round where you cant make a case for either guy winning it, because that's the only case I can think of where a draw round is warranted. Because you clearly stated the case for both guys winning round 5, and in doing so contradicted your won argument for a draw. So in cases like this, the Judges so do what they are paid to do, and award the guy with the strongest case the 10 for the round
     
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  14. Stoo

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    We are on the same page then :thumbsup
     
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  15. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    we are not the only ones
     
    SouthpawSlayer, Feb 9, 2012
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