Why does Pac beat Floyd? Logical answers please.

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  1. Popshots

    Popshots Active Member Full Member

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    An undefeated Hatton's work rate keep Floyd out of his normal rhythm, but it can't be compared to Pac work rate. It was a rate Floyd wasn't comfortable with an non-the less be figured him out. Its it harder to defend against punches in punches, but knowing that Floyd is a counter puncher would it be smart to take so many chances. Floyd has underrate power that can't end a fight as well. True, Manny is definitely capable of hurting Floyd and change the fight.

    This is looking at it from a physical stand point. Floyd also get in his opponents head in and out of the ring. I noticed that all of Pac opponents give him respect and deservedly so, but how will he handle it when someone is bring it to him verbally will he fold under pressure and be "dominated". Sometimes its not the physical gifts, but it the ability to hold up under pressure that causes a fighter to be dominate.

    Thanks for your logic.
     
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    Popshots Active Member Full Member

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    Pac is the only fighter that matches that exact description.

    Zab Judah for 4 rounds. Southpaw, speed, for the first 4 rounds a great work-rate. power, footwork, and he even got a knockdown that wasn't credited to him with two-fisted power. Floyd adjusted and won.

    Hatton (undefeated that is) fast work-rate, kept Floyd uncomfortable, but Floyd adjusted.

    Even with all of the attributes you name, why is Pac having such a hard time getting by Marquez, a man who Floyd dominated. What is the common denominator. Marquez is the best pure boxer he has faced, and if he is having this much trouble with Marquez what will he do against Floyd even though, he has a "combination of speed", "power", "insane workrate" etc.

    Remember this Pac had those attributes because he didn't totally respect the man in front of him. He would have way more respect for a fighter of Floyd's caliber. Thanks for your logic.
     
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    Floyd is tougher than people give him credit for, but those guys are no PAC or Mosley as far as their power. Sometimes its the one you don't see that drops you, not saying that he seen all of those shots. His ability to comeback and be a "fire breath dragon" as trainer Nazeem Richardson said is what impressed me when he got hurt. Again Pac if he were hurt, I see him sitting on those punch and he has underrate power that could end Pac's night as well.
     
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    He rarely gets hit clean. With Floyd being a counter puncher I don't see team Roach advising him to constantly charge Floyd. Floyd also has underrate power, not smart.
     
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    Pac also isn't accustomed to the mental games that Floyd play. Sometimes fighters aren't as mentally tough even though they have all of the skills in the world.
     
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    Marquez gave Pac problems but Morales is the only Mexican who won against Pac... Both fighters goes to war against Pac with bloodied face even Clottey who covered his face for full 12 rounds got a bloodied nose if you think with Flody jr's motto "hit & don't get hit" s*** that his going to go to war with Pac then think again. When Floyd jr is on a difficult situation he doesn't slug it out, he defends or move away & that's the reason he can't win against Pac. Just watch Morales & Marquez against Pac you'll see that both fight fire with fire it looks their countering him but the truth is they slug it out with Pac but with ring IQ on how to avoid Pac's left hand... Today Pac got the right hand you can't avoid both on the exchange unless you cover or run...
     
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    Excellent breakdown. I wish more people were this informative instead of acting like ******s.
     
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    How many times will Pac a man you admire, defeat a man twice his size before you understand size isn't a factor. Floyd destroyed Corrales (RIP) who was twice his size.

    Floyd has no shot a knocking him out. Pac's been knock out twice by lesser guys. Earlier in his career or not a KO is a KO. The last man to question Floyd's ability to knock someone out was knock out, Hatton. Pac has an amazing work-rate and if used effectively can give Floyd many issues.

    Pac's mental toughness we'll have to see. He's not accustomed to a fighter trash talking in and out of the ring so will that cause mental mistakes because he's fighting with emotions. Pressuring Floyd is smart, but effective pressure is smarter. It won't be a typical Pac game plan because Floyd isn't a typical fighter that Pac has fought. In fact, he's never face anyone remotely comparable. The only man that one can use is Marquez because he can actually box which is probably why Pac is having such a hard time ending this.

    Pac will crush Marquez no surprise there. Anyone who truly know the game knows that Marquez only chance of winning is my KO.
     
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    a sparring partner for all 3 money margarito and poochiao said poochiao hit leesed hardest. :good its on youtube!
     
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    Pac has never had to deal with the mental adversity of a fighter taunting him. Floyd will take him into water's that he isn't accoustomed to. Fighting on emotions can be costly. I don't think anyone gave Floyd credit for having "iron" in his jaw which is probably why his defense is so good. If Pac fights smart Floyd will likely have to take more then he is accustomed to to get the job done. As you mention giving credit, we can't say Floyd isn't tough enough to go toe to toe. He never had to before. Why get hit when you don't have to, but perhaps he may need to get hit to get the job done. People kill me when they talk about "risk". Every-time a fighter gets in the ring its a risk. Floyd as well as Pac have proven they aren't afraid to take risks which is why they are fighters.
     
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    You are exactly the kind of person I was talking about. You typed words and yet you had no affect.
     
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    Ok so why does Floyd lose? Enlighten.
     
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    yeh so imajin how much harder 4 reel may hits then pac if he hits harder in sparring 2 tho.
     
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    Which is why I raised the question. Most who believe Pac will win say that or began to insult. I'm sure there is more to it than that and I like some of the logic, but I still say Floyd wins, but Pac is dangerous.